Wow! How They Got Millions of Christians To Support The Political State of Israel

[libertygrl]

More Christian Zionists need to see this. They are being deceived and we will always have wars
and tyranny until they realize this:

 

[pcosmar]

Expanded on here,
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?330008-Some-History

Sadly, many will not learn, or even attempt to look.

 

[angelatc]

Didn't watch the video, but they won't believe it. Once people commit to an idea it's practically impossible to get them to honestly reexamine their decision.

That's why the future lies with the youth. They are the only segment that can possibly think clearly.

 

[Cleaner44]

It would be nice if the Christian and Jewish voters would team up within the Democrat party so the Republican party could stand for small and limited government.

 

[pcosmar]

Didn't watch the video, but they won't believe it. Once people commit to an idea it's practically impossible to get them to honestly reexamine their decision.

That's why the future lies with the youth. They are the only segment that can possibly think clearly.

Difficult, but not impossible.
I was once a hard core "Israel Firster" who had bought into this crap. And argued it vehemently.
It took a Jewish friend showing me that Judaism and Zionism were actually incompatable.
Zionism was created by people that had rejected Judaism outright, They rejected God,, but only use forms from religion to promote their twisted goals.

Getting past this brainwashing is not easy,, but is possible.

 

[libertygrl]

Expanded on here,
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?330008-Some-History

Sadly, many will not learn, or even attempt to look.

Thanks for the link pcosmar. I remember that thread. You were the one who introduced us to Jack Otto. For some reason I didn't delve into it any further until recently. Now I've discovered so much more thanks to you. I didn't think I could be astonished by ANYTHING anymore. Then last week I discovered this website that has loads of audio and research material as evidence of what has been truly going on. Are you familiar with it? The information will make your head spin. This is a MUST for anyone interested in finding out the truth: h ttp://www.iamthewitness.com/

Everything we have learned has been an utter lie! All the wars! All the millions of lives sacrificed for just a few who want power. These people are pure evil. Every time I hear another soldier killed or another one of our liberties stolen, I now know who is truly behind it all.

I put several of the audio programs on my iPod. I still cannot believe the depth of the deception that has been going on for so long! I'd say the best place to begin is with the Freedman speech: h ttp://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Freedman.html

 

[RickyJ]

Didn't watch the video, but they won't believe it. Once people commit to an idea it's practically impossible to get them to honestly reexamine their decision.

That's why the future lies with the youth. They are the only segment that can possibly think clearly.

There is a word for that, it is called "insanity."

 

[RickyJ]

Difficult, but not impossible.
I was once a hard core "Israel Firster" who had bought into this crap. And argued it vehemently.
It took a Jewish friend showing me that Judaism and Zionism were actually incompatable.
Zionism was created by people that had rejected Judaism outright, They rejected God,, but only use forms from religion to promote their twisted goals.

Getting past this brainwashing is not easy,, but is possible.

I was also strongly for Israel as well at one time. Even thought those Palestinians were really bad people that just hated the good Jews. But I was truly misled and once I learned the truth, I was pissed off at those that lied to me and to everyone else. The Israel of today is no more composed of God's people than a cult worshiping the devil is.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I would probably be considered Zionist in the sense that I believe Israel must be reelestablished(it has been). I think the Bible makes that pretty clear through many versus. However, the verse about blessings and curses is not very clear, and I don't think it means at all that the other countries have to wage war for Israel or give them money, but their official position should be supportive, in contrast with many Arab countries that hate Israel. Ron Paul's position is perfectly fine as far as foreign policy and Israel goes. The state of Israel is not holy, but I do believe the land is. God has proven where he stands by the way Israel has demolished its foes during wars.

I notice in a factual error in the video when it claimed Zionist's believe all of the Middle East is considered Israel...not true at all.
Historical Israel:

While I do sympathize with Palestinians who have been displaced, I don't recognize Israel as their land. Israel is just a small piece of Palestine anyways:

The argument about the term Jew not being in existence is semantics. He says there cannot be "national sins". Well, there apparently were in the Bible. The plague in Egypt didn't just affect the Pharaoh. It wasn't just the perverts in Sodom and Gomorrah that were destroyed.

 

[thoughtomator]

I am Jewish and once bought the neocon line. I believe Israel has the right to exist, if they can defend their land against all comers, as per the traditional definition of sovereignty. I don't think we in the USA have any responsibility to make that happen, and any sober analysis of US policy in the postwar era shows that the results of allegedly pro-Israel policy have not been good for Israel at all.

Also various US governments have stabbed them in the back repeatedly over the decades, so it's arguable that rhetoric aside we're not really a friend of Israel at all. I mean, WTF handing over Egypt, Libya, and now Syria to Islamic fundamentalists? This is pro-Israel? BS.

What goes under the guise of pro-Israel is really pro-MIC. It has nothing at all to do with the well-being of Israel, and everything to do with US imperial ambitions and the corruption brought about by the entrenchment of the military-industrial complex, as Eisenhower warned us about. As others pointed out, there are very few actual religious Jews (as opposed to socialist, secular ethnic Jews) in the neocon camp.

 

[Muwahid]

I would probably be considered Zionist in the sense that I believe Israel must be reelestablished(it has been). I think the Bible makes that pretty clear through many versus. However, the verse about blessings and curses is not very clear, and I don't think it means at all that the other countries have to wage war for Israel or give them money, but their official position should be supportive, in contrast with many Arab countries that hate Israel. Ron Paul's position is perfectly fine as far as foreign policy and Israel goes. The state of Israel is not holy, but I do believe the land is. God has proven where he stands by the way Israel has demolished its foes during wars.

I notice in a factual error in the video when it claimed Zionist's believe all of the Middle East is considered Israel...not true at all.
Historical Israel:

While I do sympathize with Palestinians who have been displaced, I don't recognize Israel as their land. Israel is just a small piece of Palestine anyways:

The argument about the term Jew not being in existence is semantics. He says there cannot be "national sins". Well, there apparently were in the Bible. The plague in Egypt didn't just affect the Pharaoh. It wasn't just the perverts in Sodom and Gomorrah that were destroyed.

Oh so that was God helping Israel and not the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of aid from other countries? Israel survived on reparations for a long time.

Your religion promotes displacing millions of people? Killing tens of thousands of them? Treating them as second class citizens or not as citizens at all?

The only people who lay claim to that land are the semites, not euro-Jews.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Oh so that was God helping Israel and not the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of aid from other countries? Israel survived on reparations for a long time.

Your religion promotes displacing millions of people? Killing tens of thousands of them? Treating them as second class citizens or not as citizens at all?

The only people who lay claim to that land are the semites, not euro-Jews.

I don't see why God couldn't have made nations play a role in creating Israel. He has used nations before to carry out his purpose.

Christianity is not pacifist. There is nothing inconsistent with the Bible in terms of expelling foreign peoples.

 

[Revolution9]

I don't see why God couldn't have made nations play a role in creating Israel. He has used nations before to carry out his purpose.

Christianity is not pacifist. There is nothing inconsistent with the Bible in terms of expelling foreign peoples.

The Synagogue of Satan created the earthly nation of Israel. The lies, death and subterfuge as well as the money used to create all point to the hallmarks of the enemies methods. It is a counterfeit of the spiritual Israel that is not of this earth..

Rev9

 

[TheTexan]

I don't see why God couldn't have made nations play a role in creating Israel. He has used nations before to carry out his purpose.

Christianity is not pacifist. There is nothing inconsistent with the Bible in terms of expelling foreign peoples.

... committing acts of aggression in the name of religion... you're right... that's definitely not pacifist

 

[Muwahid]

I don't see why God couldn't have made nations play a role in creating Israel. He has used nations before to carry out his purpose.

Christianity is not pacifist. There is nothing inconsistent with the Bible in terms of expelling foreign peoples.

That's a miracle far from Jesus making the dead living again; having a bunch of rich Jews lobby the British empire for a piece of land they stole from Arabs, real holy.

I think good and evil are very obvious characteristics, I don't think Israel meets the criteria for being some nation built by divine intervention.

 

[James Madison]

Anyone who isn't familiar with the Balfour Declaration needs to perform a quick google search now.

 

[pcosmar]

Anyone who isn't familiar with the Balfour Declaration needs to perform a quick google search now.

I know I post this often,,but it is true,,

All roads lead to Rothschild.

 

[jmdrake]

Didn't watch the video, but they won't believe it. Once people commit to an idea it's practically impossible to get them to honestly reexamine their decision.

That's why the future lies with the youth. They are the only segment that can possibly think clearly.

I dunno. I have a theory that I would test out at a Tea Party rally if they still had them.

Question: Do you support U.S. foreign aid going to countries that pay for abortion? (expect the answer to be no)

Question: Did you know the Israeli government pays for abortion?

It might not work, but it's worth a shot.

 

[jmdrake]

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[jmdrake]

I don't see why God couldn't have made nations play a role in creating Israel. He has used nations before to carry out his purpose.

Christianity is not pacifist. There is nothing inconsistent with the Bible in terms of expelling foreign peoples.

I will pray for you that you will one day come to an understanding of Christianity. Foreign peoples? What foreign peoples? Do not not understand the clear teaching of the Bible that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek (nor Arab for that matter) but that we are all heirs of Abraham according to the promise? Anyway, if you want to take your own money and send it to murder unborn Jewish babies go ahead. But my tax dollars shouldn't be used for that.