Why the liberty movement tends to lose:

[Matt Collins]

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[wizardwatson]

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So the Christian mindset is why the liberty movement tends to lose? Jesus was a "nice guy" and a practical failure?

It's a bit of a catch-22 then, isn't it? Without a Christian mindset the movement will have no unity. Without being tough and cunning we won't be effective (says the video).

There is a false Christianity, for sure, that wallows in emotionalism and victimhood and being meek. This is the kind of Christian Nietzsche ranted against in The Antichrist.

But didn't Jesus say be wise as serpents and harmless as doves?

I get the point. My problem is that this sentiment is always couched in a "sheep need to wake up and stop being stupid sheep or the wolves are going to eat you. Be a wolf."

Sheep are sheep.
Wolves are wolves.
Shepherds are supposed to protect the sheep from the wolves, not sit on the sidelines berating the sheep for being stupid sheep while they get eaten for breakfast.

It's very funny to me that people use this "sheep" idiom all the time-itself rooted in Christian thought-always leaving out the Shepherd factor and assuming the wolf is the "smart one".

We need leaders, not a "how to be a wolf" training.

A proper Christian understanding of Jesus should lead people to realize we need more like Jesus, not less. A mature Christian is a rare thing these days.

Jesus was practically "weak" because he was ordered to be that way. He was on a mission to redeem mankind from the clutches of death and sin.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Sounds familiar. The radical left, DNC, Antifa-BLM-Nazis already know these lessons. They have gone far beyond Machiavelli.

On the other hand, you have your Mitch McConnell's who have learned how to play the game, but don't use all of the tools in the box. GOP politicians in general (and many libertarians for that matter), tend to secretly (a deception) focus on selling out to big business interests. They don't promise free stuff to voters and common people. They don't promote division, violence, destruction. They don't play the welfare state card (except to maintain old, existing programs like social security). They play the warfare state card to cater to the MIC, which is huge business. They cater to the US Chamber, which represents the biggest crony globalists.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

So the Christian mindset is why the liberty movement tends to lose? Jesus was a "nice guy" and a practical failure?

It's a bit of a catch-22 then, isn't it? Without a Christian mindset the movement will have no unity. Without being tough and cunning we won't be effective (says the video).

There is a false Christianity, for sure, that wallows in emotionalism and victimhood and being meek. This is the kind of Christian Nietzsche ranted against in The Antichrist.

But didn't Jesus say be wise as serpents and harmless as doves?

I get the point. My problem is that this sentiment is always couched in a "sheep need to wake up and stop being stupid sheep or the wolves are going to eat you. Be a wolf."

Sheep are sheep.
Wolves are wolves.
Shepherds are supposed to protect the sheep from the wolves, not sit on the sidelines berating the sheep for being stupid sheep while they get eaten for breakfast.

It's very funny to me that people use this "sheep" idiom all the time-itself rooted in Christian thought-always leaving out the Shepherd factor and assuming the wolf is the "smart one".

We need leaders, not a "how to be a wolf" training.

A proper Christian understanding of Jesus should lead people to realize we need more like Jesus, not less. A mature Christian is a rare thing these days.

Jesus was practically "weak" because he was ordered to be that way. He was on a mission to redeem mankind from the clutches of death and sin.

By attacking Christian values, you have to wonder if the creators of the video are cognizant of the fact that they are enabling the very things that they are supposedly opposed to? I.e. "there are terrible murderers out there, so everyone should embrace and practice murder".

 

[wizardwatson]

By attacking Christian values, you have to wonder if the creators of the video are cognizant of the fact that they are enabling the very things that they are supposedly opposed to? I.e. "there are terrible murderers out there, so everyone should embrace and practice murder".

Well, it's an "ends justify the means" argument.

The Machiavellian stance comes from intellectuals who believe morality is a by-product of adhering the the non-aggression principle. So they would deny they would embrace murder, but everything else (in the Rothbardian sense) would be ok: Bribery, lying, coercion, blackmail, etc. Because those things don't violate the "non-aggression" principle.

As Christians, we follow a different law. Since Christ, that law is spear-headed by "love your neighbor".

Non-aggression isn't a positive command but a negative one. It doesn't tell you what to do, but what not to do.

Since "love" is mixed in with those on the side of "good", the intellectuals who don't see the point of it seem to think it's a weakness and an obstacle.

They want justice without compassion. But the only reason we recognize injustice is because we have compassion. Not because we "understand rights". "Rights" is simply framing the concept of justice from the perspective of the individual rather than as relationship. It's semantics.

So no, I don't think their cognizant. I think it's intellectuals being intellectuals.

 

[Working Poor]

Jesus was practically "weak" because he was ordered to be that way. He was on a mission to redeem mankind from the clutches of death and sin.

His power was displayed when the soldiers came after Him and they asked who was Jesus and He turned to them and said I Am and they fell to the ground.

It is disheartening that so many including Christians don't understand the wages of sin is death. That Jesus willingly gave His life so we would not perish because of love for humanity.

 

[Matt Collins]

For me the takeaway from the video was that you have to fight smart and employ sometimes unpleasant tactics to win. That doesn't always jive with what we are taught in church. I also think that is one reason Jesus and the Bible urge people to stay out of the political arena.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Only until people are prepared to do this. To go straight into hell and fight