Why Are Nurses and Healthcare Workers Across the U.S. Refusing Mandatory Flu Vaccines?

[Zippyjuan]

What "strawman" argument? I asked a question, which you still have not answered:



California has removed vaccine exemptions and mandated more people get vaccines, and health care workers often are mandated to get the flu vaccine or lose their job. Nobody said anything about "forced to get them at gunpoint." That actually does happen outside the U.S., but I am not aware of it happening inside the U.S. yet.

You are the one actually setting up a strawman argument, and not answering the question.

The photo is from Pakistan- they were trying to get people in Taliban controlled areas of the country vaccinated. The people doing the vaccinating were getting shot at and attacked. They aren't using guns to force people to vaccinate but to protect the people giving them.

http://www.france24.com/en/20160113-deadly-blast-polio-vaccination-centre-pakistan-quetta

Pakistan is one of only three countries where polio remains endemic. Attempts to eradicate it have been badly hit by militant attacks on immunisation teams that have claimed nearly 80 lives since December 2012.

The most recent attack came in November last year, when unknown gunmen shot and killed the head of an immunisation programme in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa district of Swabi.

The militants claim the polio vaccination drive is a front for espionage or a conspiracy to sterilise Muslims. In 2014 the number of polio cases recorded in Pakistan soared to 306, the highest in 14 years.

The expanded immunisation programme was launched in Pakistan in 1978 to protect children by immunising them against diseases including polio.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
But compared to just about everything else, the risks of a serious negative side effect from vaccines is incredibly small.

That is an opinion, not a fact.

Do you have facts which disprove this? What percent of people vaccinated are harmed by them? What percent die?

 

[Created4]

Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
But compared to just about everything else, the risks of a serious negative side effect from vaccines is incredibly small.

That is an opinion, not a fact.

Do you have facts which disprove this? What percent of people vaccinated are harmed by them? What percent die?

You are the one making the statement/claim. The burden falls upon you to produce the data to support your claim.

I quoted from an original source (CDC website) where they admit flu deaths are estimates, not facts based on actual lab-proven cases. I don't have to "disprove" anything.

 

[Zippyjuan]

You said my statement was not a fact. What are the facts?

 

[Created4]

You said my statement was not a fact. What are the facts?

I have already replied to this. The facts are flu deaths are estimates, not actual lab-verified statistics, and the CDC admits this. The quarterly DOJ reports also show government payouts to flu vaccine victims for injuries and deaths in the Vaccine Court. That is a fact: some people die from the flu vaccine, and many are injured.

It is also a fact, admitted to by the CDC and many other medical authorities, that the flu vaccine is a crap shoot every year, and many years not a good match and not very effective at all in terms of matching the current strains of influenza.

 

[CaptUSA]

Discernment, folks. In any case, "mandatory" or "forced" anything is bad.

Every breath you take possibly contains harmful pathogens. But for some reason, these seem to be useful to people. Even in that case, "forcing" someone to breathe is bad. You don't need to dig up all sorts of data on the pathogens. It's beside the point.

 

[Superfluous Man]

It's interesting that this group is just nurses and not doctors.

That reminds of of Engineers and Architects for 9/11 Truth, and then when you look at their list of members, it's overwhelmingly just architects.

 

[Zippyjuan]

It's interesting that this group is just nurses and not doctors.

That reminds of of Engineers and Architects for 9/11 Truth, and then when you look at their list of members, it's overwhelmingly just architects.

And it did not note what percent of nurses that represented. Headline sounded like most if not all nurses were against the flu vaccine.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Flu Shot Side Effects: http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/flu-guide/flu-shot-facts#1

Are There Side Effects?

Yes. You might have a mild fever and feel tired or achy after you get the shot. Some people also have soreness, redness, or swelling where the needle went in. These problems aren't serious and won't last long.

Serious side effects are rare. If you do get them, it should be within a few minutes to a few hours after you get the shot. Call 911 and get emergency help right away if you have trouble breathing, hives, feel weak or dizzy, or have a fast heartbeat after you get it.

Side effects in children can include:

Runny nose
Headache
Vomiting
Muscle aches
Fever

Side effects in adults can include:

Runny nose
Headache
Sore throat

 

[Created4]

Headline sounded like most if not all nurses were against the flu vaccine.

Headline: "Why Are Nurses and Healthcare Workers Across the U.S. Refusing Mandatory Flu Vaccines?"

Is there something factually wrong with that headline? It is not an article about "percentages." It is about nurses who are being forced to receive a medical treatment they do not want, and are being forced to give up their jobs and careers.

Do you believe nurses and other healthcare workers should be mandated to take the flu shot as a condition for employment? (I am quite sure you will evade this question.)

We present facts, unlike you, who want to interject beliefs and propaganda to fit your agenda.

Still waiting for your facts to back up that "thousands" die each year from the flu....

 

[Zippyjuan]

Technically accurate, granted, but gives the impression that many more agree than actually do. "Nurses Across the US"- nurses everywhere agree! Do they? What percent does this group represent? That information is not given. How do they feel about other vaccines?

 

[staerker]

It's interesting that this group is just nurses and not doctors.

That reminds of of Engineers and Architects for 9/11 Truth, and then when you look at their list of members, it's overwhelmingly just architects.

Taking Statics 101 would tell you 9/11 was a demolition.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Taking Statics 101 would tell you 9/11 was a demolition.

I took Statics 101, and a lot more than that, to get my BS in Civil Engineering. And like me, most who did, don't reach that conclusion.

 

[staerker]

I took Statics 101, and a lot more than that, to get my BS in Civil Engineering. And like me, most who did, don't reach that conclusion.

Most economists don't reach Austrian conclusions, and most judges don't reach Constitutional conclusions. But after applying truth and logic, one arrives at a view less insulting to demolition firms around the globe.

 

[Created4]

Technically accurate, granted, but gives the impression that many more agree than actually do.

Are you going to deal with facts and answer the question, or just comment on "impressions" that fit your belief system?

Do you believe nurses and other healthcare workers should be mandated to take the flu shot as a condition for employment?