Who are the people who called up and harrased the town clerk of Sutton, NH?

[King Crimson]

I read this article about how there was a clerical error on Ron Paul's 31 votes in Sutton, NH and how people were calling, complaining to, hrrassing and even threatening the town clerk of Sutton, NH. What are some people's problems? This kind of stuff seems to come out of Ron Paul supporters all the time. I mean, e-mailing Fox News or CBS or Howard Stern to get them to support Ron Paul is one thing, but harassing individual people like the town clerk of some place in NH is ridiculous! I also also remember people were harrasing the guy who ran some debate in August in Iowa in which Ron Paul was excluded. And having a screaming mob chase down Sean Hannity? How did this culture of harassment get put into place with Ron Paul's supporters? It's ironic but for supporters of a candidate who is against threatening and bullying potential enemies of our country, his supporters sure do a hell of a job of threatening and bulling enemies and non-enemies of their candidate.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/FRONTPAGE/801120412/1043/NEWS01

 

[reverse]

There's lots of help that becomes hurt for this campaign.

For instance, the unorganized calling of people in IA and NH lead to multiple households receiving many calls from grassroots RP supporters. They assumed this was a headquartered effort and were more annoyed than anything else. Make the calls? Yes. In an Ad Hoc manner? No.

 

[driller80545]

It sounds like some supporters are blaming this old woman for RP losing in NH.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There's lots of help that becomes hurt for this campaign.

For instance, the unorganized calling of people in IA and NH lead to multiple households receiving many calls from grassroots RP supporters. They assumed this was a headquartered effort and were more annoyed than anything else. Make the calls? Yes. In an Ad Hoc manner? No.

This is all the more reason for the campaign to step it up. The grassroots is trying to fill the gaps in what they see the campaign not doing.

 

[Nate SY]

"And having a screaming mob chase down Sean Hannity?"

They broke no law. And it wasn't really them chasing him. They just followed him and yelled about him and faux being bias. I don't see any issue with this. They didn't harm him, and they spoke the truth.

People probably did go to far with the Sutton clerk. But I wouldn't trust any article that tries to make it look like the loss of 32 votes in unimportant. Every vote is important even if it doesn't change the results by much. If they aren't why should ANYONE vote?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Wasn't it these folks who threw the snowballs at Hannity?

 

[King Crimson]

The votes weren't lost. According to the article it was a clerical error which was corrected the next morning.

The mob chasing down Sean Hannity broke no law, but it was clearly done by Ron Paul supporters which makes his candidacy look bad. Bombarding the town clerk of Sutton, NH also broke no law but it's stupid and counter productive. You're representing Ron Paul when you do that and it turns people off.

 

[Dlynne]

It sounds like some supporters are blaming this old woman for RP losing in NH.

The "old woman" is 35, according to the article.

 

[Mental Dribble]

Wasn't it these folks who threw the snowballs at Hannity?

OH MY GOD? REALLY? a SNOWBALL?????????????

 

[Nate SY]

The votes weren't lost. According to the article it was a clerical error which was corrected the next morning.

The mob chasing down Sean Hannity broke no law, but it was clearly done by Ron Paul supporters which makes his candidacy look bad. Bombarding the town clerk of Sutton, NH also broke no law but it's stupid and counter productive. You're representing Ron Paul when you do that and it turns people off.

I'll point out that I didn't bother that lady. Just so ya'll know.

And I don't know about the Sean Hannity thing making the candidacy look bad. Most people I've talked with understand it was grassroots and they think it's what fox and Hannity deserved (even Huck/Ghoul supporters).

"Human error, by someone unknown, caused Call's office to claim Paul received zero votes from the town during Tuesday's first-in-the-nation primary.

Paul actually got a whopping 31 votes.

Out of 920 cast.

Launch an investigation. Alert the media. "

Whether it was an error or on purpose (I believe it was an error) it's still unacceptable. I don't think it was handled properly, but I also don't think that the people who did it are as horrible as it seems to me you do.

 

[NoMoreApathy]

I read this article about how there was a clerical error on Ron Paul's 31 votes in Sutton, NH and how people were calling, complaining to, hrrassing and even threatening the town clerk of Sutton, NH. What are some people's problems? This kind of stuff seems to come out of Ron Paul supporters all the time. I mean, e-mailing Fox News or CBS or Howard Stern to get them to support Ron Paul is one thing, but harassing individual people like the town clerk of some place in NH is ridiculous! I also also remember people were harrasing the guy who ran some debate in August in Iowa in which Ron Paul was excluded. And having a screaming mob chase down Sean Hannity? How did this culture of harassment get put into place with Ron Paul's supporters? It's ironic but for supporters of a candidate who is against threatening and bullying potential enemies of our country, his supporters sure do a hell of a job of threatening and bulling enemies and non-enemies of their candidate.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/FRONTPAGE/801120412/1043/NEWS01

It happens because there are some people who are so sick and tired of the establishment controlling the system, that there's a level of anger inside people about it.

I know it's the wrong way to go about things, but some people are so angry inside about what's wrong with this country, that the anger causes them to act irrationally.

It's no different really, then if a bully at school continually picks on you until finally you snap and beat the living shit out of him.

Human beings can only take so much abuse.

The key is finding a way to control this anger, and put it to more useful purposes.

I'm already starting to see this movement become divided. This is how all movements are killed. DIVISION.

 

[Soccrmastr]

This lady is lying. She probably got SWAMPED by calls, and some of the calls were from media as well, about Ron Pauls missing votes. Shes angry about it, so shes claiming she was threatened etc.. And she's acting like its no big deal, just "human error". This is a HUGE deal.

 

[driller80545]

It happens because there are some people who are so sick and tired of the establishment controlling the system, that there's a level of anger inside people about it.

I know it's the wrong way to go about things, but some people are so angry inside about what's wrong with this country, that the anger causes them to act irrationally.

It's no different really, then if a bully at school continually picks on you until finally you snap and beat the living shit out of him.

Human beings can only take so much abuse.

The key is finding a way to control this anger, and put it to more useful purposes.

I'm already starting to see this movement become divided. This is how all movements are killed. DIVISION.

The thing is, and this makes me angry too, it is not the movement or the grassroots. Its the damn stupid general public. They complain about taxes, the war, overspending, inflation, big government, etc. but when somebody comes along willing to work on fixing these things, he is portrayed as a kook. No wonder everyone is angry here. But portraying anger to the stupid public just scares them and makes them think that we are the last people to fix things. It is a difficult problem. The public can only be made aware in the same way you teach a child. By calmly saying the same things over and over again with infinite patience. As soon as you scare them, they run.

 

[driller80545]

This lady is lying. She probably got SWAMPED by calls, and some of the calls were from media as well, about Ron Pauls missing votes. Shes angry about it, so shes claiming she was threatened etc.. And she's acting like its no big deal, just "human error". This is a HUGE deal.

It doesn't take much to make an old lady feel threatened.

 

[MJfromCT]

Who are the people who reported the wrong numbers and pretended as though they did not commit a pathetic error? Who are the people who sat back and turned the situation into an attack on those that were wrongfully uncounted? Who are the people that choose to label those who wish for all votes to be counted accurately as "conspiracy nuts"? Who? Who? Who?

While I may not be one of those people who called this woman, I respect the effort of the majority of them. We need these people who are unafraid to question authority regardless of how uncomfortable it may make some of you at times. And just consider for a moment that perhaps everyone who called her was respectful and merely questioned how such a foolish error could go unnoticed. Consider Mrs. Call may be extremely embarrassed as her credibility within her little town is severely marred and she can't own up to her deliberate fraud or inept abilities.

JMHOs

 

[NoMoreApathy]

The thing is, and this makes me angry too, it is not the movement or the grassroots. Its the damn stupid general public. They complain about taxes, the war, overspending, inflation, big government, etc. but when somebody comes along willing to work on fixing these things, he is portrayed as a kook. No wonder everyone is angry here. But portraying anger to the stupid public just scares them and makes them think that we are the last people to fix things. It is a difficult problem. The public can only be made aware in the same way you teach a child. By calmly saying the same things over and over again with infinite patience. As soon as you scare them, they run.

We also can't rule out foul play either. How easy is it for an anti-RP to call up and harass and threaten? TOO EASY.

And just like that, with a quick little news piece about it, the whole movement is tainted.

Agents Provocateurs.

In case you might not be aware of what they are, here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

 

[familydog]

"And having a screaming mob chase down Sean Hannity?"

They broke no law. And it wasn't really them chasing him. They just followed him and yelled about him and faux being bias. I don't see any issue with this. They didn't harm him, and they spoke the truth.

People probably did go to far with the Sutton clerk. But I wouldn't trust any article that tries to make it look like the loss of 32 votes in unimportant. Every vote is important even if it doesn't change the results by much. If they aren't why should ANYONE vote?

You're right. They didn't hurt Hannity. They hurt the image of the campaign and helped to bolster the opinion that Paul and his supporters are kooks.

 

[romeshomey]

I read this article about how there was a clerical error on Ron Paul's 31 votes in Sutton, NH and how people were calling, complaining to, hrrassing and even threatening the town clerk of Sutton, NH. What are some people's problems? This kind of stuff seems to come out of Ron Paul supporters all the time. I mean, e-mailing Fox News or CBS or Howard Stern to get them to support Ron Paul is one thing, but harassing individual people like the town clerk of some place in NH is ridiculous! I also also remember people were harrasing the guy who ran some debate in August in Iowa in which Ron Paul was excluded. And having a screaming mob chase down Sean Hannity? How did this culture of harassment get put into place with Ron Paul's supporters? It's ironic but for supporters of a candidate who is against threatening and bullying potential enemies of our country, his supporters sure do a hell of a job of threatening and bulling enemies and non-enemies of their candidate.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/FRONTPAGE/801120412/1043/NEWS01

Wow, now that is crazy.

Please stop this non sense immediately.

Those responsible need arrested and charged with verbal assault and harassment. Seriously.

We are all frustrated, but to do this to a poll worker is UNACCEPTABLE. These people aren't even paid for this and here we are upset over voting machines, but let me ask you, how many people are going to want to volunteer to work the polling stations and count votes by hand if peoples lives are being threatened.

We are better than this people.

 

[Soccrmastr]

What did this lady expect, that if she says it was a mistake everyone would let it go? this is a SERIOUS matter and cannot be taken as lightly as she and others are taking it.

 

[driller80545]

We also can't rule out foul play either. How easy is it for an anti-RP to call up and harass and threaten? TOO EASY.

And just like that, with a quick little news piece about it, the whole movement is tainted.

Agents Provocateurs.

In case you might not be aware of what they are, here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

Maybe we need to launch some of these "agent provocateurs". I won't do it, though, because I consider it underhanded. a crutch