When You Stab Ron Paul In The Back... [I'm not going to post this thread title]

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When You Stab Ron Paul In The Back, Ron Paul Picks Your Pocket, Sleeps With Your Wife, And Absconds With The Flatware

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All of this talk about shifting demographics and not selling the message and failing the GOTV ground game is cockshit. Romney lost not because 1% more Mexicans Latinos Hispanics Brown People voted over 2008, according to a poll with a 3-5% margin of error, but because a group of voters he had counted on gave him the middle finger in the best way that it could. During the primaries, Ron Paul racked up an impressive number of votes/delegates on the way to being kicked out the back door of the GOP candidate Star Search. There were grumblings for the Stormin’ Mormon because the number of delegates Paul had collected allowed him significant leverage in the convention, and since delegates are only bound on the first tally, many “Romney” delegates were free to switch to Paul if they so desired on second, third, and subsequent votes. This scared the ever-loving feces out of the Romney camp, who resorted to varied dirty tricks to suppress Paul’s delegates, diminish Paul’s presence and influence, and again kick him (and his supporters) out the back door. Romney’s camp wanted to present a unified GOP/conservative base, and assumed that the desire to send President Ladies Tee packing would trump any ill feelings the Paul supporters held toward Romney for 1) dirty tricks and 2) being, basically, the liberal governor of a deeply blue liberal state.

This chart that I took from Nate’s Facebook page clearly shows how well that worked out:

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Which is to say not at all.

Those votes either stayed home, or went third party to one of several candidates, likely non-libertarian Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson, who is the first LP party candidate to notch more than 1 million votes in a national presidential election.

Romney got 3 million less votes nationally than McCain did, and even though Obama got 10 million less votes than he did in 2008, it was enough to win by, well, 3 million.

It appears that the emergence of impactful third-party politics has finally arrived, only 12 years later than I originally thought it would.

This all seems plausible enough, I guess, and I could leave it right there, on the table, to see if the wait staff picks it up, but the six of you who still read this blog don’t come here for sober analysis like that, all wrapped up in a bow and sent FedEx 2nd-Day Air for your calm reading pleasure.

No sir, no you don’t.

more at link: http://bbq22.wordpress.com/2012/11/...paul-picks-your-pocket-sleeps-with-your-wife/
 
Actually the best article I've read regarding Paul's supporters influence on the election :)

Thanks for posting!
 
The problem is you guys assume no one who voted for Ron in the primary voted for Romney in the general. I bet you a lot of them did.
 
Numbers in the chart seem to check out. I'd expect that a sizable portion of those RP primary voters held their nose and voted for Romney (and Obama for 2016 strategic reasons). I didn't vote for Romney but I know plenty of RP supports who did. For the record, I wrote-in "Ron Paul."

Anyway, I'm glad Obama won instead of Romney. We now get to run a liberty-minded GOP POTUS candidate in 2016 instead of having to wait until 2020.

Rand has my support so far but we have a long way to go yet.
 
Numbers in the chart seem to check out. I'd expect that a sizable portion of those RP primary voters held their nose and voted for Romney (and Obama for 2016 strategic reasons). I didn't vote for Romney but I know plenty of RP supports who did. For the record, I wrote-in "Ron Paul."

Anyway, I'm glad Obama won instead of Romney. We now get to run a liberty-minded GOP POTUS candidate in 2016 instead of having to wait until 2020.

Rand has my support so far but we have a long way to go yet.

That is nicely put and exactly why I didn't want Romney to win. Nothing would have changed except for the wait. Now get set for whatever hurricane Obama throws at us.
 
The problem is you guys assume no one who voted for Ron in the primary voted for Romney in the general. I bet you a lot of them did.

Not the million who voted for Gary Johnson. (1/3 of the number of votes needed for Romney to tie Obama.) How many votes went for the other misc. candidates like Jill Stein? How many Ron Paul supporters didn't vote? NOBODY that really believed the message Ron Paul preached--liberty and not exterminating other human beings for NO GOOD REASON--could in good conscience vote for Mitt Romney (or Obama). You don't even have to be a Ron Paul supporter to think exterminating innocent people is wrong and to refuse to be a part of it.

Romney lost because MORE people living in toss-up states thought he was the greater evil than Obama is.


In my opinion.
 
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The problem is you guys assume no one who voted for Ron in the primary voted for Romney in the general. I bet you a lot of them did.

a lot who supported Ron didn't vote in Ohio as well, I suspect since the media had already named Romney nominee, if you recall. And Ron didn't campaign in Florida, so I have to figure those who voted for Ron there were pretty hard core supporters.
 
Not the million who voted for Gary Johnson. (1/3 of the number of votes needed for Romney to tie Obama.) How many votes went for the other misc. candidates like Jill Stein? How many Ron Paul supporters didn't vote? NOBODY that really believed the message Ron Paul preached--liberty and not exterminating other human beings for NO GOOD REASON--could in good conscience vote for Mitt Romney (or Obama). You don't even have to be a Ron Paul supporter to think exterminating innocent people is wrong and to refuse to be a part of it.

Romney lost because MORE people living in toss-up states thought he was the greater evil than Obama is.


In my opinion.

Damn right. It kills me that Michelle can still take multiple 747s filled with a few hundred of her closest friends to the International Gathering of Wookies on the taxpayer dime until my child is almost in first grade. The alternative - my child in Middle School before Romney takes his magical underwear to some far away tax shelter - was unacceptable. Voted for Gary Fucking Johnson.

Not a single vote for Robamney out of this household.
 
The problem is you guys assume no one who voted for Ron in the primary voted for Romney in the general. I bet you a lot of them did.

I'm sure some of them did, but a lot is probably overestimating. I would say more voted for Obama than Romney. Also consider that two of Ron's stronger states were New Hampshire and Iowa. Romney lost both states. If Ron had been the nominee, he almost surely would have carried one or both.
 
a lot who supported Ron didn't vote in Ohio as well, I suspect since the media had already named Romney nominee, if you recall. And Ron didn't campaign in Florida, so I have to figure those who voted for Ron there were pretty hard core supporters.

Both my parents voted for ron in the indiana primary long after romney had gotten the nomination and they weren't hard core supporters, they voted romney in the general.
 
The problem is you guys assume no one who voted for Ron in the primary voted for Romney in the general. I bet you a lot of them did.

Probably so. What has that got to do with the OP's point, though? Clearly, enough of them didn't that it made a difference. That's all that counts.
 
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