What is war? We need to remind people.

[noztnac]

All Americans see is a sanitized ,TV friendly, flag waving, I love democracy and freedom infomercial version of the war in Iraq.

We need to remind people what war really is. We need to show bodies, flag draped coffins, burned children, amputees, etc.

Images can be very powerful. Why is the campaign not using powerful images? We get inane bullshit like "He's catching on I'm tellin' ya."

It's time to present the pro war crowd with the reality of what they are supporting.


It's very simple- Huckabee, Giuliani, Romney, McCain, Hunter, and Thompson support this: Then show graphic images of war.

Ron Paul supports this: Then show soldiers being reunited with their wives and children.

If someone doesn't make this sort of ad we will lose. It's really that simple.

 

[noztnac]

Huckabee, McCain, Giuliani, Romney, and Thompson support this:

NOTE- picture is graffic
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/march2006/100306iraq.jpg
NOTE- picture is graffic

 

[noztnac]

and this:

 

[noztnac]

and this.... Sorry if all of this is offensive...It's offensive to me too which is why it must stop!


NOTE- picture is graffic
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/iraq-dead-bodies.jpg
NOTE- picture is graffic

 

[noztnac]

Giuliani, Huckabee, McCain, Romney, Thompson want more of this:

NOTE- picture is graffic
http://boles.com/called/07/war3.jpg
NOTE- picture is graffic

 

[noztnac]

Ron Paul supports this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk

 

[noztnac]

My views on this sort of ad campaign may seem odd but I think the American people have simply lost touch with reality. They have bought into this insane lie that war is good and to support war is a patriotic thing to do. They seem oblivious to the reality that war is ugly, terrible, and evil.

We need to yank those damn flags they're waving out of their hands and beat some sense into them.

If you think I'm wrong please leave a message here explaining why. If you think that I'm on the right track bump this repeatedly until someone at campaign HQ gets the message.

We've played too nice for too long. There's too much at stake to go down without a fight.

 

[noztnac]

The Budweiser ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxT7feUlPg

 

[noztnac]

Better than anything the campaign has produced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn39iL_ooRI

 

[GodOfThunder]

I think this will have an adverse affect.
People just don't want to see that kind of imagery. It doesn't matter what the message is behind it, people don't want to see that stuff.
People like living in their fantasy worlds and it's up to us to show them that it isn't all peaches and roses. But if we show them too much, they are more liable to go hide in that fantasy world and never come out.

 

[GodOfThunder]

Better than anything the campaign has produced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn39iL_ooRI

On the other hand, these kind of images are positive.
A video like this, showing soldiers with their families and a simple, "bring them home, vote for Ron Paul" would be wonderful.

 

[noztnac]

I think this will have an adverse affect.
People just don't want to see that kind of imagery. It doesn't matter what the message is behind it, people don't want to see that stuff.
People like living in their fantasy worlds and it's up to us to show them that it isn't all peaches and roses. But if we show them too much, they are more liable to go hide in that fantasy world and never come out.

They aren't supposed to like it.

An adverse affect on what? It should have an adverse affect on the candidates supporting war.

That fantasy world needs to be shattered. And if we aren't willing to do it we are essentially complicit in letting the killing continue.

 

[noztnac]

The point is to contrast the images and the candidates.

Make it real simple for Americans. These candidates support war, death, and violence.

Ron Paul supports bringing the troops home, stopping the war, putting an end to the death and violence.

 

[noztnac]

The images of war linked to the other candidates don't necessarily need to be connected with Ron Paul directly. Imagine independent ads created to publicize the war and those who support it.

So Ron Paul can make nice sweet ads with families being reunited with families and independent individuals can make ads linking the pro war candidates with harsh grisly images of the Iraq war.

 

[RonPaulalways]

I agree with making the war an issue. It shouldn't be "war" per se that is criticized, because war is sometimes necessary, but foolish wars that don't serve any national security or economic interests. The lack of judgement of the pro-war candidates should be brought to light.

 

[disciple]

The images of war linked to the other candidates don't necessarily need to be connected with Ron Paul directly. Imagine independent ads created to publicize the war and those who support it.

So Ron Paul can make nice sweet ads with families being reunited with families and independent individuals can make ads linking the pro war candidates with harsh grisly images of the Iraq war.

Right on.

 

[noztnac]

I agree with making the war an issue. It shouldn't be "war" per se that is criticized, because war is sometimes necessary, but foolish wars that don't serve any national security or economic interests. The lack of judgement of the pro-war candidates should be brought to light.

You are 100% correct. But I'm talking about breaking people's general illusion that war doesn't come at a cost. Even a justified war is a horrible thing, albeit necessary.

In my opinion we need to be less nuanced and more blunt with our advertising. There will be time to explain when people begin asking questions. The first step is to break them out of their conformist non-critical mindset.

Too many people have just bought hook, line, and sinker into this notion that the war in Iraq was both justified and good. Beyond that they don't have any idea of the costs involved. We need to put those costs before them in a very concrete way.

 

[wowabunga]

How many times have you heard the phrase "follow the money". The issue is the war as much as it's about how much money it is costing us in higher prices of everything. I want to see ads hitting the fact that gas now cost over $3 a gallon.

And about our current ads from national HQ they are good ads but they are in no means great ads. I am here this morning (when I should be out selling stuff and paying my bills) and just need to get it off my chest that I will not settle for ordinary mediocre ads, paid for with hard earned inflation ravished monies I've contributed to national.

No cheering till I see greatness.

 

[Ronpauladin]

All Americans see is a sanitized ,TV friendly, flag waving, I love democracy and freedom infomercial version of the war in Iraq.

We need to remind people what war really is. We need to show bodies, flag draped coffins, burned children, amputees, etc.

Images can be very powerful. Why is the campaign not using powerful images? We get inane bullshit like "He's catching on I'm tellin' ya."

It's time to present the pro war crowd with the reality of what they are supporting.


It's very simple- Huckabee, Giuliani, Romney, McCain, Hunter, and Thompson support this: Then show graphic images of war.

Ron Paul supports this: Then show soldiers being reunited with their wives and children.

If someone doesn't make this sort of ad we will lose. It's really that simple.

This will backfire. The people KNOW that war is brutal and that our soldiers are dieing. But those people who choose to support the effort in Iraq are supporting it because they believe morally that they have to.

The real problem with removing our troops from Iraq is that the current president obviously wants them there and that congress continues to fund this effort. No funding and troops come home.

 

[noztnac]

This will backfire. The people KNOW that war is brutal and that our soldiers are dieing. But those people who choose to support the effort in Iraq are supporting it because they believe morally that they have to.

The real problem with removing our troops from Iraq is that the current president obviously wants them there and that congress continues to fund this effort. No funding and troops come home.

I don't think people realize that war is brutal. I think they choose to believe everything is going great.

If you put enough images of death and destruction out there people will eventually lose their stomach for the war. A very few photos turned the tide of support against the war in Vietnam. It can happen again.

As for your statement about "It will backfire."

How?

If done as I indicated, private groups pushing against the war, while Ron Paul pushes images of soldiers being reunited with families... How will it backfire?

Please explain exactly how you see that working against us.