What is the possibility of gun confiscation under McCain, Hillary and Obama?

[Ron Paul in 2008]

I read Obama and Hillary support full scale gun control like in England. With a democratic congress I am starting to get really worried. I don't know enough about McCain's gun record but listening to a gun question at the debate he definitely doesn't seem pro gun. Will McCain "compromise" and try to call the guns in? With Congress leaving the borders wide open we can have another attack and they can use it as an excuse to disarm us. What can we expect under McCain or Hillary?

 

[Dequeant]

Zero....on a massive scale that is. It would be out and out revolution, and i don't mean the kind we joke about at rallies. I mean bullets, bombs, molitov cocktails, I.E.D.'s, snipers....basically Iraq with Americans playing the roll of the "terrorists" and the police playing the roll of the U.S. military.

They know this. They would be far more clever. For instance, with the crash of the dollar, they may pay large amounts of cash in a "buyback" program and try to get people to turn in their own guns. It's what most other countries have done. They'll label the buy-back "program" something catchy and non-threatening. The media covers the massive turn-in of firearms and labels anyone who doesn't an "extremist". They'll be no nasty incidents of Americans defending themselves from confiscations, since they'll be submitting willingly and being paid hansomly for it. The ones that choose to fight will be labeled "terrorists". Any resistance will be disorganized, since many will have willingly turned them in. They'll be no massive "rebel force". Then they'll make it illegal to own any firearm. They'll have a "Last chance" turn-in program that offers "full immunity" to people who turn in their arms. Then, i'm guessing something like a hot-line where people can report individuals that own guns.....possibly rewarding the reporters with money. Once they get the report, the forced confiscations begin. It will be sporadic just to limit organized resistance....like busting a crack house or meth lab is today.

It's honestly the smartest way they could do it, you can bank on it happening.

Don't sell out. Keep your guns in your possession and your ammo in the confiscators!

 

[STRATIOTES]

Zero....on a massive scale that is. !

Agreed, disarmarment not possible, slow incremental highly probable, ammo costs are already decreasing training as well as the ability to travel to training centers (high fuel costs).

 

[integrity]

they will create a fake bird flu epidemic, kill all communications, isolate and lock down neighborhoods, go door to door like they did in New Orleans and confiscate weapons under false pretexts. Also use food as a weapon.

 

[dave68]

I doubt outright confiscation. I am sure u would see an assault weapons ban, gun show ban, no private sales ban, registering of some types of guns,etc. They don`t have the guts yet. It would still not be good!!!

 

[BirdsAreWild]

The government is already trying to get guns out of the hands of people with gun buy back programs. See here:

US GUN BUY BACK PROGRAMS

This is how they are slowly getting the guns away from the people. The problem is that many people seem to think that the government is their mommy and have forgotten that the second amendment is in place to protect the people from a tryanical government.

Watch this to the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71YpogEUCDI

If there is a government buy back of guns in your area you need to get behind collectors and buyers. Help them advertise that they will buy the guns instead of people just turning them in to the government.

Because the MEDIA did not focus on the fact that the government sent soldiers into peoples houses to take guns away from citizens many people still don't believe that is happened. This needs to be told to as many people as possible and show them proof. I have finally convinced some people that this really happened and our government allowed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8

 

[Kingfisher]

Never doubt that they will attempt it someday! Probably in small doses with patriotic sounding names.

 

[FreeTraveler]

Chance they will attempt it in the next 8 years: approaching 100%
Chance they will succeed at my door: ZERO!

I've never been so ashamed of my fellow citizens as in the aftermath of Katrina, although it did prove to me that New Orleans is Socialist City. I'm still amazed so many people surrendered their guns so willingly.

 

[Merk]

I agree it will be incremental. It will be a UN tax on ammunition because of the environmental damage due to lead, or making firearms too expensive with microstamping or whatever nonsense they can come up with.

Obama supports a national concealed carry ban. Hillary is all about a ban. McCain would sell us out.

When it's time to start burying your guns it's time to start digging them up.

 

[Shellshock1918]

Hillary-definately
Obama-maybe
McCain-probably not, but he has said he'd like to close the "gunshow loophole"

 

[Kludge]

John McCain stands for nothing. He goes by what his advisors say, maybe good for America... I doubt the Republican party would allow McCain to devalue the constitution enough by throwing out the second amendment. However, with War-on-Terror syndrome, anything is possible =/

 

[SWATH]

It is inversely proportional to the number of bullets you have.

 

[Mini-Me]

John McCain stands for nothing. He goes by what his advisors say, maybe good for America... I doubt the Republican party would allow McCain to devalue the constitution enough by throwing out the second amendment. However, with War-on-Terror syndrome, anything is possible =/

Kludge, the whole reason we've gotten into this mess over the past century is that our Presidents have been puppets for their "advisors" and string-pullers. The people working behind the scenes are even more terrifying than McCain himself.

 

[alexpasch]

Buy a gun, report it "lost", and keep it.

 

[hvac ak47]

They will use food, most people will give up everything freely. Will this happen in the next 8 years I dont know.

 

[OddballAZ]

First I must say this: GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR STATE LEGISLATURE ON GUN ISSUES. More on that in a little bit...

Obama or Hitlery would love to try it but at best they can hope for is some gun control and maybe another half assed "assault weapons ban" like the 1994 ban. Democrats still blame Gore's loss in 2000 on their Gun Control stance. Since then, they have tried as best they can to shut the hell up about it. That doesn't stop the hard core gun grabbers like Carolyn McCarthy from talking about it but as a whole the Dems shut up about it.

Juan McCain is a piece of trash but he isn't a gun grabber. He isn't a huge fan of the 2nd, but his own political power is all he's interested in. He isn't interested in making some socialist utopia like Hitlery or Obama. He's smart enough to know all out gun grabbing will lead him right back to an old folks home here in AZ where he belongs so he won't try it. He may try some "gun show loophole" bullshit or trigger locks or maybe even another AWB ban but he will probably be smacked down by the true Republicans as soon as he starts to talk about it.

Getting involved at the state level:

Now to what I posted at the top. Look at what gun control has occurred at the federal level since Bush. Thankfully, none really. Some states have passed more of their own gun control, some have passed less. More states have CCW laws now which have reduced crime and allow citizens to legally carry firearms concealed. I've been a supporter of a group here in AZ called the Arizona Citizens Defense League. They do a lot of great work with the state legislature here. Over the past few years they have been successful in improving the gun laws. Eventually it looks like we might even be able to get rid of the need to have a CCW permit in the first place (back to the real 2nd Amendment!). I'm only aware of one other state with such an organization and that's VA. If you are not in AZ or VA try searching Google for any gun rights groups. If there isn't any such groups, start one! Then find your state legislatures web page and contact your reps and find out if they support the 2nd amendment. I email a lot of the reps and Senators here in AZ and they respond by email all the time. And most of the time it isn't just some canned response you get back when you send an email to a federal level Senator. You really get a response from a real human that most of the time IS the actual Senator or Representative you emailed. Try working with the ones that support the 2nd Amendment. Go to gun shows to find other people who want to help improve the laws. Have them send emails. Put the pressure on. Most of the state legislature only hears very little from the public so they just do what they think is best. If you get a group of people sending them emails on issues that will soon be the only voice they hear on the topic of guns and they will respond because they want to keep their damn jobs! Here is a link to the AZCDL: http://www.azcdl.org/

I saw a list of the proposed gun laws this year here in AZ. I saw maybe 3 bad ones, and they were so retarded that even if they passed it wouldn't really effect anyone. Stuff like you can't take a firearm within 75 feet of a polling place. You already can't have one inside of the polling place... So what? But there was a hell of a lot more than 3 good bills! From what people have told me this is a huge turn around from 10 years ago when the exact opposite was true.

If you're in a state like CA or IL or NJ, well, I'd say you are better off moving to a free state. Some states are probably a lost cause because they want to become socialist. There's no stopping some of them. But most states have plenty of hope.

 

[Chosen]

First of all I just want to say I am glad to be here...

I think the government may use situations and incidents in combinations with these programs. Katrina seemed to be a good labratory for citizen disarmament, where the NOPD confiscated the legal weapons of N.O. citizens by going door to door instead of helping folks out, but thats a whole other story.

 

[ChickenHawk]

I think we are probably 20 years away from a major confiscation scenario. That could change if something big happens. There is a major Supreme Court ruling coming up that will be the first on the second amendment since the thirties. How that comes down could have a significant effect on future gun rights issues.

 

[Defining Obscene]

I hope this doesn't happen but something tells me we don't have much time left until the liberal arm of the law over reaches. I'll tell you 1 thing, I ain't givin mine up for nothin! I'ma fightin!

 

[youngbuck]

they will create a fake bird flu epidemic, kill all communications, isolate and lock down neighborhoods, go door to door like they did in New Orleans and confiscate weapons under false pretexts. Also use food as a weapon.

That's about what I figure too..