We need to start a movement to Expel certain states from the union by Constitutional Amendment

[Swordsmyth]

I am totally serious, Rand or one of our other office holders needs to start pushing a Constitutional Amendment to expel several states.
It won't be easy but it needs doing if the Republic is to be saved.

If we get this going we can make a list here.
States nominated should be entirely dominated by the Demoncrats and in flagrant violation of their citizens Constitutional Rights like the 2ndA.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'll start the nominations with New Jersey and Massachusetts.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Throw out Michigan.

 

[RonZeplin]

Massachusetts, Connecticut, RI, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and DC. Give it back to the British, or the Indians if they want it. We could give the Indians weapons like we give to Saudi Arabia & Israel.

Regime Change!

 

[FvS]

Give Blacks 2-3 Southern states to form their own country and send all Central Americans back to Central America. Democrats would probably never win again.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Give Blacks 2-3 Southern states to form their own country and send all Central Americans back to Central America. Democrats would probably never win again.

That would be harder to do because they aren't concentrated in just one or two states where they are an overwhelming majority.
Getting rid of multiple solid blue states will be good enough.

 

[timosman]

Give Blacks 2-3 Southern states to form their own country and send all Central Americans back to Central America. Democrats would probably never win again.

Asians worse than Other? WTF! Are they still traumatized from WWII?

 

[FvS]

That would be harder to do because they aren't concentrated in just one or two states where they are an overwhelming majority. Getting rid of multiple solid blue states will be good enough.

That's true. I suppose California would be an obvious choice.

Asians worse than Other? WTF! Are they still traumatized from WWII?

Many non-Whites seem to prefer collectivism and socialism, for whatever reason.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

I am totally serious, Rand or one of our other office holders needs to start pushing a Constitutional Amendment to expel several states.
It won't be easy but it needs doing if the Republic is to be saved.

If we get this going we can make a list here.
States nominated should be entirely dominated by the Demoncrats and in flagrant violation of their citizens Constitutional Rights like the 2ndA.

This is a good idea, but pitched this way it's a nonstarter. Even if you wanted to do it against their wishes, you'd have to get a majority in the remaining states to agree. Even excluding liberals and centrists, most conservatives don't hate California so bad that they think Californians should be stripped of citizenship. Instead of telling states they're being forced to leave, tell them they are being allowed to leave.

This needs to be about self government. Tell Californians (or whoever) that since we can't all agree on how to run the government, we should peacably allow each other to try different forms of government.

 

[Swordsmyth]

This is a good idea, but pitched this way it's a nonstarter. Even if you wanted to do it against their wishes, you'd have to get a majority in the remaining states to agree. Even excluding liberals and centrists, most conservatives don't hate California so bad that they think Californians should be stripped of citizenship. Instead of telling states they're being forced to leave, tell them they are being allowed to leave.

This needs to be about self government. Tell Californians (or whoever) that since we can't all agree on how to run the government, we should peacably allow each other to try different forms of government.

It should be pitched both ways.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This needs to be about self government. Tell Californians (or whoever) that since we can't all agree on how to run the government, we should peacably allow each other to try different forms of government.

Exactly right.

 

[Ender]

This is a good idea, but pitched this way it's a nonstarter. Even if you wanted to do it against their wishes, you'd have to get a majority in the remaining states to agree. Even excluding liberals and centrists, most conservatives don't hate California so bad that they think Californians should be stripped of citizenship. Instead of telling states they're being forced to leave, tell them they are being allowed to leave.

This needs to be about self government. Tell Californians (or whoever) that since we can't all agree on how to run the government, we should peacably allow each other to try different forms of government.

How about we go back to the original Federation of States?

The original "Union" of the states was that every State was separate and could run itself whatever way it wanted, by the local community. The CONstitution started the path toward a controlling Central Gov that would rule as it pleased.

The "Civil" War cemented that.

What we have now is a phony left/right sealed by an elite central gov that rules everything while letting the fooled think they have a choice.

 

[shakey1]

Wouldn't be easy to be sure.

 

[Swordsmyth]

How about we go back to the original Federation of States?

The original "Union" of the states was that every State was separate and could run itself whatever way it wanted, by the local community. The CONstitution started the path toward a controlling Central Gov that would rule as it pleased.

The "Civil" War cemented that.

What we have now is a phony left/right sealed by an elite central gov that rules everything while letting the fooled think they have a choice.

They don't want that, they must be expelled if we are ever to go back to that.

 

[osan]

I am totally serious, Rand or one of our other office holders needs to start pushing a Constitutional Amendment to expel several states.
It won't be easy but it needs doing if the Republic is to be saved.

If we get this going we can make a list here.
States nominated should be entirely dominated by the Demoncrats and in flagrant violation of their citizens Constitutional Rights like the 2ndA.

The Black States list:

1. Massachussetts
2. Connecticut
3. Rhode Island
4. New York
5. New Jersey
6. Maryland
7. Illinois
8. Minnesota
9. California
10. Oregon
11. Washington
12. Ohio
13. Hawaii

 

[Swordsmyth]

The Black States list:

1. Massachussetts
2. Connecticut
3. Rhode Island
4. New York
5. New Jersey
6. Maryland
7. Illinois
8. Minnesota
9. California
10. Oregon
11. Washington
12. Ohio
13. Hawaii

A very good list, I would suggest that only the worst be targeted for expulsion while the others be allowed a chance to either reform or secede.

 

[Ender]

They don't want that, they must be expelled if we are ever to go back to that.

Expelled..... so more laws for bigger government is your freedom solution.

The present gov SUCKS. It is totally anti-liberty- yet you promote expelling states YOU think exude that very thing so you can be comfy in your own personal authoritarian cradle.

Start your own country- then do what ever you want. Betcha true liberty will be nowhere in sight.

 

[brushfire]

I would be satisfied with just the option to opt out. Let all the loser states keep their union.

To me, the failure of the federal government is not due to CA, NY, IL, etc... Its the consolidated power that's the issue.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Expelled..... so more laws for bigger government is your freedom solution.

The present gov SUCKS. It is totally anti-liberty- yet you promote expelling states YOU think exude that very thing so you can be comfy in your own personal authoritarian cradle.

Start your own country- then do what ever you want. Betcha true liberty will be nowhere in sight.

It isn't more laws, it is enforcing the Constitution while allowing them the freedom to have the horrible governments of their choice.
Would you rather use force to overthrow their elected governments?
Or perhaps you are happy with things just the way they are, with them slowly strangling liberty in the whole country?
Your sheep's clothing is slipping.

 

[Ender]

It isn't more laws, it is enforcing the Constitution while allowing them the freedom to have the horrible governments of their choice.
Would you rather use force to overthrow their elected governments?
Or perhaps you are happy with things just the way they are, with them slowly strangling liberty in the whole country?
Your sheep's clothing is slipping.

LOL

I'd say your hate-mongering is continually driving your posts- divide and conquer is your meme.

Ron Paul's solutions are the best I've seen but haters don't want that.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Socialism-On-The-March&p=6645767#post6645767