Violence Begets Violence: The Orlando Shootings and the War on Terror

[tod evans]

So do you think al-Qaeda's 24,000+ members are CIA agents?

Look who's back, ironically on American Spartan's coattails....

 

[OReich]

Who are "denialists of radical Islam?" What is a "denialist" anyway? Somebody in public office who doesn't kiss your rear because you want accommodation to build another "Holocaust" museum?

The poll you cite also said that 4% of Moslems supports terrorism "as a form of political protest." This compares to 1% of the general public. Seven percent expressed support for the creation of an "Islamic State," compared with 2% of the general public. Moslems make up only 5% of the British population, while 60% identify as Christian. The majority of Moslems who want to ban Nancy Boys is a slight majority at 52%. Combine that with the general public and you have a very small majority for any ban.

Those numbers don't look like the hordes you seem to insinuate. Your radical Jewish element likes to vilify a quarter of the world's population, instead of acknowledging the reality that there are extremists in every quarter. One third of Moslems in that poll say it's okay to take an extra wife. Wonder how that compares with some Mormon groups. Thirty nine percent of Moslems says that a wife should always obey her husband. That percentage seems a little low compared to the many Christian fundamentalists I have known over my life who say the same thing. I consider those fundamentalists to be friends, and would hardly call them radical. I worked with and knew many Jews and Moslems when living in New York. Most were pretty normal; a few a little quirky.

And if you leave out those issues, the poll said these towelheads pretty much have the same views as everyone else.

And speaking of "radical." How long have you been on this site? Since 2007? With how many accounts? You already acknowledged you're also user MaybeMaybeNot. I've seen your posts. You posted baloney in 2007 about how you're a Ron Paul supporter. Well, whatever happened to that? Who the hell feigns support for a candidate on a forum, and to go as far as saying he's driving to these Ron Paul meetings? Who does that? Trying to fly under the radar here and then have the nerve to vilify 25% of the world's population. You're bull$#@!, but you're hardly "radical." You don't have the balls. Just some rank amateur doofus.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/

CAIR founder Omar Ahmad, former Muslim Brotherhood member: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." If you don't think Ahmad really supports a global Islamic government, you're denying radical Islam.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2136
http://www.clarionproject.org/content/omar-ahmad
http://www.wnd.com/2006/12/39229/#!
http://spectator.org/64162_dumbest-controversy-ever/

Former CAIR executive directord, Nihad Awad, former Muslim Brotherhood member: "I used to support the PLO, and I used to be the President of the General Union of Palestine Students which is part of the PLO here in the United States, but after I researched the situation inside Palestine and outside, I am in support of the Hamas movement more than the PLO." Hamas, the official MB Palestine branch, openly promises to kill all the Jews, and establish a global caliphate. CAIR was started for the purpose of fundraising for Hamas, and even used 9/11 as an excuse for fundraising for Hamas. If you don't think Awad really supports Hamas and killing all of the Jews, you're denying radical Islam.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/223/cairs-awad-in-support-of-the-hamas-movement# (video of CAIR leader declaring support for Hamas terrorist group)
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/393614/cair-terror-group-daniel-pipes

Claiming that the desire to start a global caliphate is a response to the West is denying radical Islam, and denying 1400 years of history. Claiming that the people who call for a global caliphate (such as MB, al-Qaeda, Hamas, ISIS) don't really want a caliphate, but are really just upset about Western intervention, is denying radical Islam. This is their ideology. We make the problem worse every time we try to scratch it, but this is their ideology, and talking about is extremely important. Denying their ideology is precisely why the US idiotically supported al-Qaeda, and why Israel idiotically supported Hamas, thinking they wouldn't stab us in the back if we were polite with them. Iranian communists supported the Islamist revolutionaries in 1979, because they thought the Islamists weren't really Islamists. After winning the war, the first thing the Islamic Revolutionary Guard did was murder their stupid communist clown allies. Denying radical Islam is just ignorance. They believe what they say they believe.

Ppl deny radical Islam (the political system of Islamic Sharia law) when they say that the motivation for these attacks is merely revenge for Western intervention (there's partial truth to this however), and claim that the ideology is NOT religious. Ever since the day Muhammad died 1400 years ago, until World War I, there was one or more Islamic caliphates, the last being the Ottoman Empire. "Caliph" means "successor," as in successor to Muhammad. Ever since western countries destroyed the expansionist, interventionist Ottoman Empire in World War I, radical Muslims have been calling for bringing BACK the caliphate. Its not an original idea, its not a response to the West, its what radical, political Muslims have believed in for over a thousand years.

In 1929, the Muslim Brotherhood was started in Egypt for the stated, express purpose of establishing a global Islamic caliphate (opposition to British occupation of Egypt was a large reason why, the UK promised to leave after WWI but didn't). Generally speaking, the term "Islamist" is used to describe Muslim Brotherhood supporters, or supporters of their splinter groups. Muslim Brotherhood offshoots (former members leaving and starting new groups) and front groups include al-Qaeda, which openly calls for a global caliphate, and CAIR. CAIR was started for the sole purpose of fundraising for Hamas, the official Palestinian branch of MB. The MB charter calls for eternal war against the Jews, and the Hamas charter calls for killing all the Jews (via quotation to scripture). MB openly says that they seek to establish Sharia law through 'peaceful,' political means; they openly seek to democratically end democracy. ISIS branched off from al-Qaeda; they want a caliphate now, they're not patient like MB. Virtually every mosque with Saudi textbooks, worldwide, is connected to MB, although the odd, ironic alliance between the Saudis and MB is probably ending right now.

 

[pcosmar]

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when you copy/paste it is generally a good idea to give a link to where you got it.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

CAIR founder Omar Ahmad, former Muslim Brotherhood member: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." If you don't think Ahmad really supports a global Islamic government, you're denying radical Islam.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2136
http://www.clarionproject.org/content/omar-ahmad
http://www.wnd.com/2006/12/39229/#!
http://spectator.org/64162_dumbest-controversy-ever/

Former CAIR executive directord, Nihad Awad, former Muslim Brotherhood member: "I used to support the PLO, and I used to be the President of the General Union of Palestine Students which is part of the PLO here in the United States, but after I researched the situation inside Palestine and outside, I am in support of the Hamas movement more than the PLO." Hamas, the official MB Palestine branch, openly promises to kill all the Jews, and establish a global caliphate. CAIR was started for the purpose of fundraising for Hamas, and even used 9/11 as an excuse for fundraising for Hamas. If you don't think Awad really supports Hamas and killing all of the Jews, you're denying radical Islam.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/223/cairs-awad-in-support-of-the-hamas-movement# (video of CAIR leader declaring support for Hamas terrorist group)
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/393614/cair-terror-group-daniel-pipes

Claiming that the desire to start a global caliphate is a response to the West is denying radical Islam, and denying 1400 years of history. Claiming that the people who call for a global caliphate (such as MB, al-Qaeda, Hamas, ISIS) don't really want a caliphate, but are really just upset about Western intervention, is denying radical Islam. This is their ideology. We make the problem worse every time we try to scratch it, but this is their ideology, and talking about is extremely important. Denying their ideology is precisely why the US idiotically supported al-Qaeda, and why Israel idiotically supported Hamas, thinking they wouldn't stab us in the back if we were polite with them. Iranian communists supported the Islamist revolutionaries in 1979, because they thought the Islamists weren't really Islamists. After winning the war, the first thing the Islamic Revolutionary Guard did was murder their stupid communist clown allies. Denying radical Islam is just ignorance. They believe what they say they believe.

Ppl deny radical Islam (the political system of Islamic Sharia law) when they say that the motivation for these attacks is merely revenge for Western intervention (there's partial truth to this however), and claim that the ideology is NOT religious. Ever since the day Muhammad died 1400 years ago, until World War I, there was one or more Islamic caliphates, the last being the Ottoman Empire. "Caliph" means "successor," as in successor to Muhammad. Ever since western countries destroyed the expansionist, interventionist Ottoman Empire in World War I, radical Muslims have been calling for bringing BACK the caliphate. Its not an original idea, its not a response to the West, its what radical, political Muslims have believed in for over a thousand years.

In 1929, the Muslim Brotherhood was started in Egypt for the stated, express purpose of establishing a global Islamic caliphate (opposition to British occupation of Egypt was a large reason why, the UK promised to leave after WWI but didn't). Generally speaking, the term "Islamist" is used to describe Muslim Brotherhood supporters, or supporters of their splinter groups. Muslim Brotherhood offshoots (former members leaving and starting new groups) and front groups include al-Qaeda, which openly calls for a global caliphate, and CAIR. CAIR was started for the sole purpose of fundraising for Hamas, the official Palestinian branch of MB. The MB charter calls for eternal war against the Jews, and the Hamas charter calls for killing all the Jews (via quotation to scripture). MB openly says that they seek to establish Sharia law through 'peaceful,' political means; they openly seek to democratically end democracy. ISIS branched off from al-Qaeda; they want a caliphate now, they're not patient like MB. Virtually every mosque with Saudi textbooks, worldwide, is connected to MB, although the odd, ironic alliance between the Saudis and MB is probably ending right now.

Yeah, that's what I said. Extremists and religious conflict.

 

[AZJoe]

Suppressed Transcript with Omar Mateen with Police

Here is the previously suppressed transcript of the police dialogue with the Orlando Shooter. Omar Mateen explains clearly and unequivocally his motive:

Negotiator: I'm trying to offer you help.
Suspect: Well, you need to know that they need to stop bombing Syria and Iraq. The U.S. is collaborating with Russia and they are killing innocent women and children, okay?
Negotiator: Can you tell me where you are right now so I can get some help?
Suspect: No. Because you have to tell America to stop bombing Syria and Iraq. They are killing a lot of innocent people. What am I to do here when my people are getting killed there. You get what I'm saying.
Negotiator: I do. I completely get what you're saying. What I'm trying to do is prevent anybody else from getting...
Suspect: You need to stop the U.S. air strikes, okay?
Negotiator: I understand.
Suspect: They need to stop the U.S. airstrike. You have to tell the U.S. Government to stop bombing. They are killing too many women, okay?
Negotiator: I understand that...
Suspect: What's going on is I feel the pain of people getting killed in Syria and Iraq and all over the Muslim...
There is more of the same. The MICC-CLINTON-TRUMP strategy for making us safe is indistinguishable from searching the planet for hornets' nests, smashing them open with bombs, and then fighting the hornets when they seek to sting us in retaliation. And this passes for wisdom in the corridors of power!​

 

[pcosmar]

Here is the previously suppressed transcript of the police dialogue with the Orlando Shooter. Omar Mateen explains clearly and unequivocally his motive:

Negotiator: I'm trying to offer you help.
Suspect: Well, you need to know that they need to stop bombing Syria and Iraq. The U.S. is collaborating with Russia and they are killing innocent women and children, okay?
Negotiator: Can you tell me where you are right now so I can get some help?
Suspect: No. Because you have to tell America to stop bombing Syria and Iraq. They are killing a lot of innocent people. What am I to do here when my people are getting killed there. You get what I'm saying.
Negotiator: I do. I completely get what you're saying. What I'm trying to do is prevent anybody else from getting...
Suspect: You need to stop the U.S. air strikes, okay?
Negotiator: I understand.
Suspect: They need to stop the U.S. airstrike. You have to tell the U.S. Government to stop bombing. They are killing too many women, okay?
Negotiator: I understand that...
Suspect: What's going on is I feel the pain of people getting killed in Syria and Iraq and all over the Muslim...
There is more of the same. The MICC-CLINTON-TRUMP strategy for making us safe is indistinguishable from searching the planet for hornets' nests, smashing them open with bombs, and then fighting the hornets when they seek to sting us in retaliation. And this passes for wisdom in the corridors of power!​

So that is the script.. who did this man shoot?

How many were shot by police? (all of them)

This was a Politically staged Massacre.

 

[Lucille]

FBI Hid the Orlando Shooter’s Motive
The Ron Paul analysis holds.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/09/no_author/fbi-hid-orlando-shooters-motive/

With the release of the full transcripts last Friday, a better understanding of Mateen’s motives is emerging.

Early in Mateen’s second phone call of the evening, this time with a police negotiator, he made his reasoning clear:
[...]
Yo, the air strike that killed Abu Wahid a few weeks ago… That’s what triggered it, okay?…They should have not bombed and killed Abu Wahid.”

Abu Wahid, also referred to as Abu Waheeb, was a prominent ISIS leader killed by a U.S. drone strike in May. Based on the full transcripts, it appears Mateen was increasingly agitated and radicalized by U.S. attacks on the people of Iraq and Syria, and the final straw was the death of Wahid, who he apparently considered an important force in his tirade against the American military.

Mateen’s pledge to ISIS indicated to many he was a radical Islamic extremist. However, reports from his ex-wife painted him more as a volatile, mentally unstable, potentially gay man who was not particularly religious. He wanted to be a police officer and wore shirts emblazoned with the New York Police Department’s logo.

Considering these varying factors, the full transcripts shed light on just how powerfully U.S. foreign policy factored into the clearly unstable man’s decision to murder dozens of innocent people.

Whether the FBI withheld the full transcripts out of a genuine desire to discourage further attacks or did so for nefarious reasons, Mateen’s repeated references to air strikes should not be discounted. As the U.S. continues to wage air campaigns in Syria and Iraq and the messy, perpetual war continues, the Orlando shooter’s sentiments suggest these bombardments will continue to inspire blowback in the form of hatred and retaliatory violence.

As Mateen continued to stress in his phone calls with police:

“This went down, a lot of innocent women and children are getting killed in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan, okay?”

He told the negotiator to tell authorities “[t]o stop, tell them to stop.”

“Tell — tell the f*cking — the air strikes need to stop.”