VA State Convention - June 16th, Lets organize
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How so? Aren't there CD/County level coordinators? Don't they have delegate contact info?
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Some don't believe he's "establishment".
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This answers a couple questions that've been on my mind. The first is why I haven't heard any confirmation of my delegate status for State (I just figured I was either rejected or foolishly forgot to sign up in my haste to get the form submitted.) The other was why the campaign was endorsing the entire Cuccinelli slate for SCC in the 11th when one candidate I spoke was clearly against non-establishment types getting involved in the party and the other openly endorsed Romney. The remaining member of the group, David Ray was the only exception of the three. He seemed very welcoming to new, skeptical faces such as myself and struck me very much as a proponent of the liberty movement.
Knowing how funny and delicate of an animal politics is, I'll trust the campaign's judgement: Cuccinelli = good for the Liberty movement in VA overall.
Or maybe I should edit that last part to "Not going against Cuccinelli = Ron Paul campaign won't get railroaded"?
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I'm confused... are we talking about the 13 at large delegates to be elected at the state convention? i've also paid and filled out paper work to be a delegate and havent heard anything about it. But my check was cashed so I guess I'm good.
The establishment slate will get railroaded through either way. The GOP in Virginia has been preparing for us for years and regrettably, will not even give us the opportunity to put forward our slate. There is a deal on the table to give us some delegates but it will mean that we will not win the state of Virginia. Either way, the campaign is clearly winding down and its almost time to discuss our strategy in Northern Virginia going forward. I will be running for office in 2013. Im in the process of building up my organization
You did not have to pay to be a state delegate.
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I'm not a party to any deal so I can act independently. Tell me what the procedure is to get our slate put forward and I'll act on it.
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I'm still on the fence with this one. Cuccinelli did the right thing on the ballot access fiasco (adhered to the law despite very heavy political pressure). He is at least somewhat pro-10th Amendment as evidenced by his spearheading the challenge to Obamacare.
On the other hand he ain't done shit about the financial crisis, and with MERS headquartered right here in town, the perps are in the jurisdiction. And the drug war has proceeded normally.
There is going to be a "voice vote" to approve the establishment slate. Really what that means, is the establishment slate will win no matter what and the chairman will not recognize any objections. We would need an army there to stop RPV and the campaign is unlikely to raise one. And since we won't get the the complete state delegate list until June 3rd, the situation seems hopeless. I am hearing from a couple sources we have been offered anywhere from 4-5 delegates from the establishment slate. I'll still be in Richmond nonetheless.
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Let's get the highest number of delegates we can get, that's the mission. Whether that number is 13 or 4 or 5 or anything else, let's get it. I will be a very unhappy camper if we walk out with zero.
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If the chairman violates the rules of order, that should be documented.
This might be of interest:
from http://bearingdrift.com/2012/05/14/mullins-to-remain-rpv-chairman-convention-will-still-matter/
With 85 people filed for 13 spots, I'm honestly having trouble figuring out an election system that is both expeditious and fair. The voice vote on the slate presented by the nominations committee is most expeditious, but certainly unfair to those not in the chosen thirteen, and if the convention were to vote down the slate, cue chaos. Plurality voting (top thirteen on first ballot are declared elected) would allow a small, united faction [hint, hint] to elect their delegates while the rest of the convention was divided - but of course, that doesn't reflect the will of the convention. Majority voting (candidates have to get 50% to be declared elected) might literally take all day and all night.
My suggestion is that if we're offered 4-5 spots on the "establishment" slate, take the money and run, because I doubt we'll have the numbers to run things (just a gut feeling, no inside knowledge). I love Virginia for the accessibility of its conventions (in theory, there are over 57K available delegate slots for this convention), but with the numbers at the state level, it becomes incredibly unwieldy.
The other thing to remember is that the establishment in Virginia is divided right now between Bolling and Cuccinelli right now; ideologically, we fit much better with KC, but we might be in a position to see who's going to give us the better deal.
from http://bearingdrift.com/2012/05/14/mullins-to-remain-rpv-chairman-convention-will-still-matter/
With 85 people filed for 13 spots, I'm honestly having trouble figuring out an election system that is both expeditious and fair. The voice vote on the slate presented by the nominations committee is most expeditious, but certainly unfair to those not in the chosen thirteen, and if the convention were to vote down the slate, cue chaos. Plurality voting (top thirteen on first ballot are declared elected) would allow a small, united faction [hint, hint] to elect their delegates while the rest of the convention was divided - but of course, that doesn't reflect the will of the convention. Majority voting (candidates have to get 50% to be declared elected) might literally take all day and all night.
My suggestion is that if we're offered 4-5 spots on the "establishment" slate, take the money and run, because I doubt we'll have the numbers to run things (just a gut feeling, no inside knowledge). I love Virginia for the accessibility of its conventions (in theory, there are over 57K available delegate slots for this convention), but with the numbers at the state level, it becomes incredibly unwieldy.
The other thing to remember is that the establishment in Virginia is divided right now between Bolling and Cuccinelli right now; ideologically, we fit much better with KC, but we might be in a position to see who's going to give us the better deal.
The other thing to remember is that the establishment in Virginia is divided right now between Bolling and Cuccinelli right now; ideologically, we fit much better with KC, but we might be in a position to see who's going to give us the better deal.[/QUOTE]
Thats what i am thinking but If you mention Bolling to some of our Ron Paul supporters, you will get chewed out! Getting the best deal is essential!
Thats what i am thinking but If you mention Bolling to some of our Ron Paul supporters, you will get chewed out! Getting the best deal is essential!
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I just finished making all reservations etc. I will be there to livestream the convention! So at least we will have proof of any ignoring of the rules. For all the good it does, for that is exactly what happened in Illinois last week, as can be seen here:
http://ustre.am/_1zkcM:189d
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Documentation is for the long term. Incompetence and cheating can be brought up at re-election time or if it's serious enough, removal from office before the term expires. In either case, sufficient votes are required but there are a lot of fair-minded "establishment" types that want the rules enforced. If we had a "Ron Paul" chairman that was incompetent or a cheat, I'd work to have him removed too.
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I am wondering, is there a point to showing up at this convention now? It seems a fait accompli that the Cuccinelli faction will walk away with everything. Is there anything contested where me showing up to cast a ballot would potentially make a difference?
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