Turkey demands visa free borders with Europe.

Lets see... turkey will grant every middle easterner turkish citizenship and send them to europe. Turks already trying to give citizenship to 300k syrians.

So free travel for turkish citizen... gg. Gg europe.
 
Simple solution: reduce Turkey to a burned out cinder. Sadly, the Europeans have no stomach for such things.

There is a serious problem with that, there are Turks in Western European countries in SIGNIFICANT numbers... They are on the point of raising hell. Not that we should accept that... But with what ? 5% of the population or so being of Turkish background, it's a serious thing.
 
There is a serious problem with that, there are Turks in Western European countries in SIGNIFICANT numbers... They are on the point of raising hell. Not that we should accept that... But with what ? 5% of the population or so being of Turkish background, it's a serious thing.

"Serious" does not translate directly and automatically into "problem".

I do believe that given the current state of human thought, multiculturalism is a proven disaster. I further believe that in order for any nation expecting to survive as itself, this bullshit needs to be put to rest once and for all. If Germans, for example, wish to remain as such rather than as some mongrelized culture where so-called "identity" is lost in a torrent of change, they need either to remove the Muslim elements by conveyance or by sword.

It is one thing for a culture to slowly mutate from one state to another over the course of many generations. Most cultures appear to do this. It is a very different thing to have vast change foisted upon people in one or two generations, sometimes less. It also depends on the nature of the change in question. The point here is that some change is of a "natural" quality, while others are very identifiably forced. Once again we see the destructive nature of force when applied to humans and the Muslim infiltration of Europe is perhaps the perfect contemporary example of this. Germany and its neighbors are literally staring into the maw of destruction, culturally speaking. Doing nothing is not a good solution if Germans wish to remain as such. IMO, my cultural identity is very much worth saving and if I have to take up a rifle and shoot 1000 men who threaten that identity, then so be it.

If Germany, et al, allow themselves to be consumed by the Muslim horde, I will be sorry that it became so but will reserve no whit of pity for them. I can spare none for those who show so deep a lack of sense and self-respect.

Were I king of France or whatever hamlet you care to name, I would boot every foreigner out. If they refused, I would show them the door at the ends of barrels. I would march the Turks back to Turkey and I would let that nation know that they'd better behave themselves lest a wave of genocidal destruction be loosed upon them - and I would mean every syllable. It is a shame that things must be this way, but diplomacy, statesmanship, and reason have all gone on extended vacations, a great bulk of political humanity having adopted insanity and rank stupidity as their standards of comportment. As for those of foreign "identity", the message would be unequivocal: toe the line of the land, whatever it may be, or be exiled. In a free land, that would mean that you abide by the principles of proper human relations or you go to live elsewhere, PERIOD. There will be no bombings, shooting while shouting "Allahu akbar!" and all that nonsense. And I would set in place strict and non-negotiable controls on immigration. There would be no H1B nonsense. No wandering across the border. No hiring ditch diggers from Turkey because nobody in country is willing to do it for 10 francs/hour. If the market demand is that high, employers would be required to meet the labor demand in the honest way by raising wages and perhaps prices, rather than scraping the barrel of shit holes like Turkey. If digging ditches is that important, people will pay to have them dug. Otherwise, the ditch digging businesses will become extinct and the diggers will have to find other ways to occupy themselves. There are no guarantees in this life.

There are clear paths to prosperous living. Basic economics is NOT rocket surgery and if people would cut the shit with all the hair splitting, others would be able to get on with the business of making good lives for themselves while contributing to the so-called "greater good". None of this is mysterious and proper freedom is a win-win for all willing to make their own ways.

But cultures can be delicate things and people become their culture in many ways. Destroying a culture during a man's lifetime threatens great harm to him, but it is his choice whether to settle for destruction or to fight. I would fight and I would kill, especially when the interlopers are of a nature such as we find with these Muslim filth who have no respect for others while demanding it from all. Screw them and the bitches who whelped them. I would see them murdered to the man to save my own because they have brought fight to me and not I to them. I will lay down for no man, but that's just me. Your mileage may vary. :)
 
"Serious" does not translate directly and automatically into "problem".

I do believe that given the current state of human thought, multiculturalism is a proven disaster. I further believe that in order for any nation expecting to survive as itself, this bull$#@! needs to be put to rest once and for all. If Germans, for example, wish to remain as such rather than as some mongrelized culture where so-called "identity" is lost in a torrent of change, they need either to remove the Muslim elements by conveyance or by sword.

It is one thing for a culture to slowly mutate from one state to another over the course of many generations. Most cultures appear to do this. It is a very different thing to have vast change foisted upon people in one or two generations, sometimes less. It also depends on the nature of the change in question. The point here is that some change is of a "natural" quality, while others are very identifiably forced. Once again we see the destructive nature of force when applied to humans and the Muslim infiltration of Europe is perhaps the perfect contemporary example of this. Germany and its neighbors are literally staring into the maw of destruction, culturally speaking. Doing nothing is not a good solution if Germans wish to remain as such. IMO, my cultural identity is very much worth saving and if I have to take up a rifle and shoot 1000 men who threaten that identity, then so be it.

If Germany, et al, allow themselves to be consumed by the Muslim horde, I will be sorry that it became so but will reserve no whit of pity for them. I can spare none for those who show so deep a lack of sense and self-respect.

Were I king of France or whatever hamlet you care to name, I would boot every foreigner out. If they refused, I would show them the door at the ends of barrels. I would march the Turks back to Turkey and I would let that nation know that they'd better behave themselves lest a wave of genocidal destruction be loosed upon them - and I would mean every syllable. It is a shame that things must be this way, but diplomacy, statesmanship, and reason have all gone on extended vacations, a great bulk of political humanity having adopted insanity and rank stupidity as their standards of comportment. As for those of foreign "identity", the message would be unequivocal: toe the line of the land, whatever it may be, or be exiled. In a free land, that would mean that you abide by the principles of proper human relations or you go to live elsewhere, PERIOD. There will be no bombings, shooting while shouting "Allahu akbar!" and all that nonsense. And I would set in place strict and non-negotiable controls on immigration. There would be no H1B nonsense. No wandering across the border. No hiring ditch diggers from Turkey because nobody in country is willing to do it for 10 francs/hour. If the market demand is that high, employers would be required to meet the labor demand in the honest way by raising wages and perhaps prices, rather than scraping the barrel of $#@! holes like Turkey. If digging ditches is that important, people will pay to have them dug. Otherwise, the ditch digging businesses will become extinct and the diggers will have to find other ways to occupy themselves. There are no guarantees in this life.

There are clear paths to prosperous living. Basic economics is NOT rocket surgery and if people would cut the $#@! with all the hair splitting, others would be able to get on with the business of making good lives for themselves while contributing to the so-called "greater good". None of this is mysterious and proper freedom is a win-win for all willing to make their own ways.

But cultures can be delicate things and people become their culture in many ways. Destroying a culture during a man's lifetime threatens great harm to him, but it is his choice whether to settle for destruction or to fight. I would fight and I would kill, especially when the interlopers are of a nature such as we find with these Muslim filth who have no respect for others while demanding it from all. Screw them and the bitches who whelped them. I would see them murdered to the man to save my own because they have brought fight to me and not I to them. I will lay down for no man, but that's just me. Your mileage may vary. :)

And how do you propose to stop it. It is a religion. Do you lock up all the brown people and throw them in a camp? Maybe just execute them? How do you intend to prove they are Muslim? What if they are brown skin but are Christians? Do you let them live? What if they are white skinned blue eyed Muslims? Do you execute them? Did you think about that when you wrote up that gigantic wall of text?
 
And how do you propose to stop it. It is a religion. Do you lock up all the brown people and throw them in a camp? Maybe just execute them? How do you intend to prove they are Muslim? What if they are brown skin but are Christians? Do you let them live? What if they are white skinned blue eyed Muslims? Do you execute them? Did you think about that when you wrote up that gigantic wall of text?

What kinda solutions would you suggest against this threat? They will send millions of people into your country. It seems no matter what you do, they will send the hordes into Europe under the guise of friendly pretense.

What do you do when a country threatens you with a human tsunami?
 
What kinda solutions would you suggest against this threat? They will send millions of people into your country. It seems no matter what you do, they will send the hordes into Europe under the guise of friendly pretense.

What do you do when a country threatens you with a human tsunami?

You praise the virtues of multiculturalism.
 
I just don't get how come Europe does not just build a wall along its eastern border.. a DEPENDABLE WALL with armed guards? Give audio and visual warning in arabic, persian, and english. Then use non-lethal force like paintball gun or pepper guns. Then shoot live rounds at the ground in front of the crowd. Then finally lethal rounds if they try to breach the wall.

For the southern border.. they can.. you know stop rescuing boats or tow their butt back to Libyan waters.

Of course.. those that want to deport foreigners already in the country, it will be very invasive and destructive. France and Germany are already gone.. No way in heck you can uproot 5-10% of the population without causing bloodshed and civil war. Without committing mass atrocities.

Best thing to do is to stop more from coming in. Stop until you can properly assimilate and integrate the "new people" or foreigners into your culture, tradition, country, etiquette and laws.

Multiculturalism is a hindrance to proper assimilation of new immigrants.
 
And how do you propose to stop it. It is a religion. Do you lock up all the brown people and throw them in a camp? Maybe just execute them? How do you intend to prove they are Muslim? What if they are brown skin but are Christians? Do you let them live? What if they are white skinned blue eyed Muslims? Do you execute them? Did you think about that when you wrote up that gigantic wall of text?

This is the best you can come up with? Seriously?

Six paragraphs is a "gigantic wall of text"? Pitiful.

Go away.
 
This is the best you can come up with? Seriously?

Six paragraphs is a "gigantic wall of text"? Pitiful.

Go away.

I didn't think you would have a reply after that large wall of garble you posted. Spend all day thinking about stupid shit.
 
What kinda solutions would you suggest against this threat? They will send millions of people into your country. It seems no matter what you do, they will send the hordes into Europe under the guise of friendly pretense.

What do you do when a country threatens you with a human tsunami?

How about you look at a map? Perhaps Germany and the EU should leave NATO or not participate in the overthrowing of Assad in Syria that is causing this problem for starters? Have you thought about that? That would be the easiest solution no? Then look at all the other countries that those Syrians will have to pass through. Perhaps deal with those countries first?

Do I need to write a thesis paper like Osan over here to illustrate this or what? Thinking is hard huh?

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How about you look at a map? Perhaps Germany and the EU should leave NATO or not participate in the overthrowing of Assad in Syria that is causing this problem for starters? Have you thought about that? That would be the easiest solution no? Then look at all the other countries that those Syrians will have to pass through. Perhaps deal with those countries first?

Do I need to write a thesis paper like Osan over here to illustrate this or what? Thinking is hard huh?

Many """refugees""" are from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Emirates, Libya. I think evne if you stop overthrowing Assad, people will still pour in.. kinda like the current constant stream of people from Mexico/South America/Central America. Pandora's box has been opened. The promise of a new life, with a new house, an allowance, free education and medicine. But then you'd probably say.. end all those programs :p.

As for the countries bordering Turkey.. Sure you can build a wall, but then people will [female dog] about freedom of movement/travel and other crap like that. There are quite a lot of area to cover in Italy/Greece and those two countries are idiots for rescuing those boats.
 
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The only reason you say that is because you got your two acres of paradise and are content and have no interest in economic pursuits or owning properties elsewhere. If you wanted to own a gold mine in South America you better believe you'd be rightfully saying you have the right to own property anywhere you can find a willing seller. And you better believe you'd be rightfully saying that you have the right to employ whoever who wish at your property including finding foreign workers (for any fucking reason) when domestic workers wouldn't supply labor at the expense (you fucking like) you need to run a profitable operation. What you are arguing for is in the same principle as a minimum wage, except you are advocating restricting the labor pool instead of an individuals ability to accept a negotiated lower wage. You want to shit on the businessman's rights because you are scared of Muslims.

But cultures can be delicate things and people become their culture in many ways. Destroying a culture during a man's lifetime threatens great harm to him, but it is his choice whether to settle for destruction or to fight. I would fight and I would kill, especially when the interlopers are of a nature such as we find with these Muslim filth who have no respect for others while demanding it from all. Screw them and the bitches who whelped them. I would see them murdered to the man to save my own because they have brought fight to me and not I to them. I will lay down for no man, but that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

What the fuck are you smoking? You realize what you'd be doing if you were a Muslim and practised what you're preaching? You'd be an ISIS member chanting 'death to the Christians, they're all guilty!' along with the usual snackbar shit. Maybe you ought to respect them for having the cojones you apparently lack.
 
@osan

The only reason you say that is because you got your two acres of paradise and are content and have no interest in economic pursuits or owning properties elsewhere. If you wanted to own a gold mine in South America you better believe you'd be rightfully saying you have the right to own property anywhere you can find a willing seller. And you better believe you'd be rightfully saying that you have the right to employ whoever who wish at your property including finding foreign workers (for any fucking reason) when domestic workers wouldn't supply labor at the expense (you fucking like) you need to run a profitable operation. What you are arguing for is in the same principle as a minimum wage, except you are advocating restricting the labor pool instead of an individuals ability to accept a negotiated lower wage. You want to shit on the businessman's rights because you are scared of Muslims.

Oh for Christ's sake, get your underwear out of a knot.

Your right to hire whom you please stops at the ends of other people's noses, to borrow, and mildly torture, the old adage. I, as a businessman, do not have the right to hire in ways that threaten the rights of my fellows. Furthermore, mass invasions of people from cultures that are at fundamental odds with that of the host nation is proving itself to be the danger-soaked clustercopulation that it is right now as we type. The logic of your position says that if I want to hire convicted serial murderers from Russia, it is my right to do so. FAIL. Need this be explained?

As for "scared of Muslims" - you are talking nonsnense. Firstly, my wife was raised Muslim and can cite you chapter and verse. She will tell you that the only way to deal with these people is to kill them [those who advocate Islamic global domination] because they are warrior people and will under no circumstance be tamed or otherwise dissuaded from their beliefs, which call them to action. Probably 60-70% of my family, by marriage, is Muslim. Yeah, I'm just terrified.

What the fuck are you smoking?

This is the best you can do? To the best of my knowledge, I've not jumped up on your kitchen table this morning, whipped out my enormous penis and proceeded to piss in your cornflakes. So why the venom? If you disagree, present your case and leave the bile at home. I see no need for it. Perhaps you are unhappy with yourself.

You realize what you'd be doing if you were a Muslim and practised [sic] what you're preaching?

Non sequitur. I am not bringing a fight to anyone. I am speaking in advocacy of rational self-defense against a culture that calls for the elimination or enslavement of anyone who does not accept their so-called "faith". What you are asserting here has nothing to do with what I have addressed.

You'd be an ISIS member chanting 'death to the Christians, they're all guilty!' along with the usual snackbar shit. Maybe you ought to respect them for having the cojones you apparently lack.

And the moon is made of green cheese. It would seem you need a better outlet for your frustrations because you are making no sense at all.
 
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