Trump Made A Mistake By Overlooking Colorado

[CPUd]

Their weekly podcast is good. Pretty much says what I've been trying to explain to a segment of the RPFs membership.

Trump Made A Mistake By Overlooking Colorado

2016 Election 10:56 AM Apr 11, 2016
He needs delegates anywhere he can find them to reach 1,237.

By Harry Enten


You’re hearing a lot about New York, where Donald Trump is reportedly trying to make up for his poor performance in Wisconsin. On Friday, for example, CNN reported:

The Trump campaign is overhauling its schedule to go all in in the Empire State. Trump abandoned plans to travel west this week for a news conference in California, a rally in Colorado and an appearance at Colorado’s state convention …

On the surface, this strategy makes sense: New York, which votes April 19, is worth 95 delegates, while Wisconsin, which voted last Tuesday, awarded only 42 pledged delegates and Colorado just 34.1 In reality, however, the Colorado conventions this weekend were really important; Trump’s path to the 1,237 delegates necessary to clinch the Republican nomination is so tenuous that he can’t afford slip-ups anywhere. And he slipped up in Colorado. Now, no matter how well Trump does in New York, he will have fallen further off pace to reach 1,237 delegates, taking into account Colorado and Wisconsin.

Colorado elects 34 potentially pledged delegates through seven district conventions and a statewide convention. (The state GOP decided not to hold a primary or caucus with a presidential preference vote this year.) But instead of putting together a top-notch convention team, Trump’s campaign was a mess: In one case, Trump delegates weren’t even on the ballot to be voted on by a district convention; in two others, Trump’s campaign didn’t provide his potential supporters with a list of pro-Trump delegates, so they didn’t know who to vote for.

The end result: Trump won zero delegates from Colorado; Ted Cruz won 34.

So where does that leave Trump?

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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-made-a-mistake-by-overlooking-colorado/

 

[Jamesiv1]

Their weekly podcast is good. Pretty much says what I've been trying to explain to a segment of the RPFs membership.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-made-a-mistake-by-overlooking-colorado/

"Donald Trump has this thing in the bag."

 

[silverhandorder]

There's more truth to it than "Trump got cheated", which is blatantly false.

Nope he got cheated. His hard won delegates are being stripped away after victories in some states. Colorado there is a concentrated effort to shut him out.

Well I been reading that he is starting to do that in other states to Cruz.

 

[CPUd]

Nope he got cheated. His hard won delegates are being stripped away after victories in some states. Colorado there is a concentrated effort to shut him out.

Well I been reading that he is starting to do that in other states to Cruz.

Which states and how many delegates? Be specific.

 

[silverhandorder]

Which states and how many delegates? Be specific.

Why would I bother? LOL

You were bragging here all month.

 

[CPUd]

Why would I bother? LOL

You were bragging here all month.

I'm not bragging. I do take interest in things like delegate strategies, especially ones that are well executed.

 

[CPUd]

I would actually be impressed if Trump's campaign could pull something like that off in one of the western states. I'd probably post a lot about it, too. But all I know so far is they sent their delegate info for WA to DC when DC is already done and WA is past deadline.

 

[silverhandorder]

Oh. Um I thought you meant something else. Apparently this happened in Massachusetts. So I am assuming he is going to start doing it in all the states that are left to select delegations. And probably other ways to break loyalty to Cruz.

It's naive to believe that Cruz can out organize him if he already lost once at the voting. That also takes organizations and support. So I think he played his hand. It would also be very easy to flip Cruz loyalists.

 

[CPUd]

Not all Cruz-supporting delegates actually support Cruz. Rubio is in the mix as well.

 

[Fivezeroes]

Post specifics, or withdraw from this thread. This thread is about discussing whether or not Trump made a tactical error in not organizing for CO.

Hard to make a tactical error in CO, when they refused to seat delegates supporting him. CO did this same shadow backdoor shit to Ron Paul, it's amazing how people aren't up in arms about it. Whether you like Trump or not, the way these things are playing out is a blast from the past.

 

[CPUd]

Hard to make a tactical error in CO, when they refused to seat delegates supporting him. CO did this same shadow backdoor shit to Ron Paul, it's amazing how people aren't up in arms about it. Whether you like Trump or not, the way these things are playing out is a blast from the past.

They never refused to seat delegates supporting him, those 2 guys were not guided through the process by the campaign, and left to fend for themselves, subsequently, they failed to show up to the lower-level caucuses (again, a function the campaign should have overseen), and could not be credentialed at the state convention.

 

[jmdrake]

Hard to make a tactical error in CO, when they refused to seat delegates supporting him. CO did this same shadow backdoor $#@! to Ron Paul, it's amazing how people aren't up in arms about it. Whether you like Trump or not, the way these things are playing out is a blast from the past.

In the past Ron Paul won delegates in states where he lost the popular vote by wide margins kind of like Ted Cruz has done. That is the analogy to the past. Ron Paul had a ground game. Ted Cruz has a ground game. Donald J. Trump is just now getting a ground game.

 

[silverhandorder]

In the past Ron Paul won delegates in states where he lost the popular vote by wide margins kind of like Ted Cruz has done. That is the analogy to the past. Ron Paul had a ground game. Ted Cruz has a ground game. Donald J. Trump is just now getting a ground game.

Nope. Ron Paul had lights turned off on him, had meeting disbanded, had votes overturned. Not even close. Actually kinda what is happening to Trump.

 

[jmdrake]

Nope. Ron Paul had lights turned off on him, had meeting disbanded, had votes overturned. Not even close. Actually kinda what is happening to Trump.

LOL. So is this what counts for discussion now on RPF? Simply ignore any inconvenient fact and obfuscate? Again, the ultimate result is that Ron won delegates in states that by the popular vote he shouldn't have won shit. The Trump campaign itself admits the truth of what is being said in the OP. Trump didn't have a ground game in Colorado. Everything else is anecdotal evidence and hearsay.

 

[Fivezeroes]

LOL. So is this what counts for discussion now on RPF? Simply ignore any inconvenient fact and obfuscate? Again, the ultimate result is that Ron won delegates in states that by the popular vote he shouldn't have won $#@!. The Trump campaign itself admits the truth of what is being said in the OP. Trump didn't have a ground game in Colorado. Everything else is anecdotal evidence and hearsay.

Are you saying Ron Paul didn't have any delegates unseated, his delegates weren't locked out as well? Cause if you are, you have a short short memory of 2012.

 

[silverhandorder]

LOL. So is this what counts for discussion now on RPF? Simply ignore any inconvenient fact and obfuscate? Again, the ultimate result is that Ron won delegates in states that by the popular vote he shouldn't have won $#@!. The Trump campaign itself admits the truth of what is being said in the OP. Trump didn't have a ground game in Colorado. Everything else is anecdotal evidence and hearsay.

I am not too bothered by Colorado and I didn't like Ron's strategy. It kinda made sense but not too much. I saw it as a way to continue to argue with republican rank and file. As far as stealing the election from republicans I didn't think it would happen because if that to happen people would just vote for another republican party and this one would become like LP.

As far as Colorado I am listening to Stefan talk about it now and it looks really bad. Like 24 people unanimously voting on rules that make it very hard for Trump to win Colorado. Kinda makes sense why he would skip it. Also how this was brought in after Ron Paul and Santorum did will in Colorado. So I guess it is easy who you are by the friend you keep. And how the people who wronged RP in the past are not aligned with Cruz temporarily makes it more clear.

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[Jamesiv1]

Did Trump have any delegates going into the Convention?

If he did, then that's where the cries of "stolen!" seem justified since there wasn't a vote at the Convention.

 

[nobody's_hero]

This is the 2016 presidential election forum. We discuss presidential candidates and elections in here.

I wish you would discuss how you plan to deal with the establishment that is standing behind Cruz, but no, Trump must be stopped at all costs and I guess we'll just bend over and take it in 2020 like we have the last 3 elections.

Some of us are actually quite tired of seeing the establishment win every time, and we're exceptionally weary of you opening 5 new threads every day quoting some establishment buffoon on why Trump sucks and is an idiot.

 

[CaptUSA]

This whole thing is funny. Colorado was one of those states that we ID as favorable for Rand because of their rules.

And now, because of those rules not working out for a certain authoritarian, it's the rules' fault.

 

[jmdrake]

This whole thing is funny. Colorado was one of those states that we ID as favorable for Rand because of their rules.

And now, because of those rules not working out for a certain authoritarian, it's the rules' fault.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CaptUSA again.

Exactly! And now a brokered convention is "evil incarnate" when for two election cycles our only hope was a brokered convention.