Trump Commits US to ‘Indefinite’ Military Presence in Syria

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Trump Commits US to ‘Indefinite’ Military Presence in Syria

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State Dept officials say Trump signs off on new strategy with more goals.

According to State Department officials, President Trump has recently abandoned his desire to “get out” of Syria and bring US troops home. He has signed a new strategy, which includes new military goals, and eliminates all timelines for removing troops from Syria.

US troops are in several parts of Syria, mostly in the Kurdish-held northeast. An estimated 2,200 US troops are in Syria, though official numbers are being withheld from the public. Special Envoy James Jeffrey said the old plan was to leave Syria by year’s end, but now the troops are committed to an “indefinitely extended” stay.

The new goals are substantial as well, with the US now focusing on forcing Iran out of Syria and “enduring defeat” for ISIS. Jeffrey says the US is “not in a hurry” and that Trump is now on board with this idea.

Pentagon officials have long presented the operation in Syria as more or less permanent, and have resisted all talk of pullout, including from President Trump. This mirrors their policy in Iraq, where US troops are similarly positioned in unknown numbers on a more or less permanent basis.

Trump, interestingly, has not commented on this fairly dramatic change in his position on US troops in Syria. It is unclear why Trump hasn’t spoken on the matter, but there is no sign such comments are coming in the near future.

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/09/06/trump-commits-us-to-indefinite-military-presence-in-syria/
 
More anonymous sources.:sleeping:

Not anonymous:

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Trump Commits US to ‘Indefinite’ Military Presence in Syria:
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State Dept officials say Trump signs off on new strategy with more goals.

According to State Department officials, President Trump has recently abandoned his desire to “get out” of Syria and bring US troops home. He has signed a new strategy, which includes new military goals, and eliminates all timelines for removing troops from Syria.

US troops are in several parts of Syria, mostly in the Kurdish-held northeast. An estimated 2,200 US troops are in Syria, though official numbers are being withheld from the public. Special Envoy James Jeffrey said the old plan was to leave Syria by year’s end, but now the troops are committed to an “indefinitely extended” stay.

The new goals are substantial as well, with the US now focusing on forcing Iran out of Syria and “enduring defeat” for ISIS. Jeffrey says the US is “not in a hurry” and that Trump is now on board with this idea.

Pentagon officials have long presented the operation in Syria as more or less permanent, and have resisted all talk of pullout, including from President Trump. This mirrors their policy in Iraq, where US troops are similarly positioned in unknown numbers on a more or less permanent basis.

Trump, interestingly, has not commented on this fairly dramatic change in his position on US troops in Syria. It is unclear why Trump hasn’t spoken on the matter, but there is no sign such comments are coming in the near future.

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/09/06/trump-commits-us-to-indefinite-military-presence-in-syria/
 
OK but it still may not be true.

i hope you're right and it's not true. But it doesn't look good. Here's the article that was linked in Jason's article in the original post:


Trump OKs indefinite US presence in Syria:

President Donald Trump, who just five months ago said he wanted “to get out” of Syria and bring U.S. troops home soon, has approved a new strategy for an indefinitely extended military, diplomatic and economic effort there, according to senior State Department officials.

Although the military campaign against the Islamic State has been nearly completed, the administration has redefined its goals to include the exit of all Iranian military and proxy forces from Syria, and establishment of a stable, nonthreatening government acceptable to all Syrians and the international community.

Much of the motivation for the change, officials said, stems from growing doubts about whether Russia, which Trump has said could be a partner, is able and willing to help eject Iran. Russia and Iran have together been Syrian President Bashar Assad’s principal allies in obliterating a years-long effort by domestic rebels to oust the Syrian leader.

“The new policy is we’re no longer pulling out by the end of the year,” said James Jeffrey, a retired senior Foreign Service officer who last month was named Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s “representative for Syria engagement.” About 2,200 U.S. troops are serving in Syria, virtually all of them devoted to the war against the Islamic State in the eastern third of the country.

Jeffrey said U.S. forces are to remain in the country to ensure an Iranian departure and the “enduring defeat” of the Islamic State.

“That means we are not in a hurry,” he said. Asked whether Trump had signed off on what he called “a more active approach,” Jeffrey said, “I am confident the president is on board with this.”

Jeffrey declined to describe any new military mission. But he emphasized what he said would be a “major diplomatic initiative” in the United Nations and elsewhere, and the use of economic tools, presumably including more sanctions on Iran and Russia and the stated U.S. refusal to fund reconstruction in Assad-controlled Syria.

But the more activist policies he outlined, and only in vague terms, could increase the likelihood of a direct confrontation with Iran, and potentially with Russia.

Jeffrey’s description of a much broader U.S. role follows years of criticism from lawmakers and analysts that neither Trump nor his predecessor, President Barack Obama, had a coherent strategy for Syria. Trump, like Obama, insisted that U.S. interests were focused on defeating the Islamic State, and he resisted significant involvement in the civil war against Assad raging in the rest of the country, even as both Iran and Russia increased their influence.

Jeffrey and retired U.S. Army Col. Joel Rayburn, who transferred to the State Department from the National Security Council last month to become “special envoy for Syria,” were brought in to try to create a coherent blueprint that would prevent a repeat of what the administration sees as the mistakes of Iraq – where a precipitous U.S. pullout left the field open for Iran, and for a resurgence of Sunni militants that gave birth to the Islamic State.

Pompeo first listed Iran’s withdrawal from Syria as one of 12 U.S. demands of Tehran in a May speech at the Heritage Foundation.

U.S. policy is not that “Assad must go,” Jeffrey said. “Assad has no future, but it’s not our job to get rid of him.” But he said he found it hard to think of Assad as a leader who could “meet the requirements of not just us, but the international community” as someone who “doesn’t threaten his neighbors” or abuse his own citizens, “doesn’t allow chemical weapons or provide a platform for Iran.”

The first test of the administration’s expanded role in Syria may come sooner rather than later in Idlib, in the northwest part of the country.

The province is the last bastion of rebel control after seven years of civil war, during which Assad, with extensive Russian and Iranian assistance, pounded opposition forces into submission.

Idlib has now become a crowded holding pen for up to 70,000 opposition fighters, along with about 2 million Syrian civilians displaced from other battle zones, and activists and aid workers trying to assist them.

Turkish military forces are also in Idlib, where they have pushed back Syrian Kurds from the Syria-Turkey border. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who fears a new exodus of Syrian refugees, is due to attend a summit in Tehran on Friday with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

Assad has said he is preparing a final offensive in Idlib, and Russian warplanes this week began bombing the region. Humanitarian organizations have warned of an unprecedented level of civilian bloodshed, and Trump himself has threatened U.S. retaliation if an all-out offensive is launched, especially with the use of chemical weapons.

“If it’s a slaughter, the world is going to get very, very angry. And the United States is going to get very angry, too,” Trump said Wednesday. Pompeo, Jeffrey said, has delivered the same message by telephone to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, as did White House national security adviser John Bolton in a recent meeting with his Russian counterpart.

Russia, which has beefed up its naval and other forces in the region in recent weeks, has charged that the United States is preparing to manufacture a chemical weapons attack to justify military intervention. It says its operations in Idlib are aimed at up to 14,000 fighters linked to al-Qaida.

The United States agrees that those forces must be wiped out, but it rejects “this idea that we have to go in there and clean out the terrorists” when “most of the people there are not terrorists, but people fighting a civil war against a brutal dictator” as well as millions of civilians,” Jeffrey said. Instead, the United States has called for a cooperative approach with other outside actors.

“We’ve started using new language,” Jeffrey said, referring to previous warnings against the use of chemical weapons. Now, he said, the United States will not tolerate “an attack. Period.”

“Any offensive is to us objectionable as a reckless escalation” he said. “You add to that, if you use chemical weapons, or create refugee flows or attack innocent civilians,” and “the consequences of that are that we will shift our positions and use all of our tools to make it clear that we’ll have to find ways to achieve our goals that are less reliant on the goodwill of the Russians.”

Trump has twice authorized U.S. air and missile attacks on Syrian government targets as punishment for previous chemical weapons use.

Asked whether potential U.S. retaliation for any offensive in Idlib, with our without chemical weapons, would include airstrikes, Jeffrey said, “We have asked repeatedly for permission to operate,” and “that would be one way” to respond.

“In some respects, we are potentially entering a new phase, where you have forces from the different countries facing each other,” rather than pursuing their separate goals, he said, listing Russia, the United States, Iran, Turkey and Israel, which has conducted its own airstrikes against Iran-linked forces inside Syria.

“Now all of them have accomplished their primary jobs” there. “But nobody is happy with the situation in Syria.”
 
Asked whether Trump had signed off on what he called “a more active approach,” Jeffrey said, “I am confident the president is on board with this.”
That answer doesn't inspire confidence in me.
 
Forever invaders, unwanted occupation - Permanent agitators, aka Community Organizers

i hope you're right and it's not true. But it doesn't look good. Here's the article that was linked in Jason's article in the original post:

establishment of a stable, nonthreatening government acceptable to all Syrians and the international community

There will never be a government acceptable to everyone, so this translates into - forever. Won't happen in the USA, Syria, or anywhere else because it's impossible.
 
Driving out militants from Idlib now top priority in Syria – Putin

https://www.rt.com/news/437877-putin-idlib-syria-summit/

Driving the extremists out of Syria’s Idlib province should be the primary goal at this stage of the Syrian peace process, Russian President Vladimir Putin said following a meeting with his Turkish and Iranian counterparts.
The Russian leader once again said that Moscow has “irrefutable” evidence that terrorist groups entrenched in the militant-controlled province are seeking to stage false flag attacks using chemical weapons.

“Our common absolute priority lies in the total elimination of terrorists in Syria,” Putin said, adding that Russian forces had recently helped to liberate the southwestern part of the war-torn country and confirming that Idlib province has become the primary target now. “The presence [of militants] poses a direct threat to the … civilians in the whole region,” the president warned.

The president also expressed his hope that the militants “would have the wisdom” to lay down their arms and back down.
 
Now the game is afoot. The spooks are pushing him to war. [Whispering into his ear] We are the only ones that can protect you.
 
Deep fake anti establishment candidate doing exactly what u expect an establishment, neocon, "deep" state controlled president is expected to be doing.

Who knew a long time Clinton friend candidate would act in this manner :rolleyes:

You see zionist Sheldon Adelson, Bolton, Kissinger all being in some way or another allied with this president and the full pic starts to become clearer and clearer.
 
Who could have possibly predicted this? Oh, that's right. Just all of us who refused to drink the Trump Kool-Aid.

Anti- Establishment? Riiiight.

Taking down the deep state? ROTFL!

And the Trump supporters will continue to make excuses and tell us he's the greatest president since Coolidge. Nothing Trump could do would cause them to lose their unshakable faith in their Dear Leader.
 
Who could have possibly predicted this? Oh, that's right. Just all of us who refused to drink the Trump Kool-Aid.

Anti- Establishment? Riiiight.

Taking down the deep state? ROTFL!

And the Trump supporters will continue to make excuses and tell us he's the greatest president since Coolidge. Nothing Trump could do would cause them to lose their unshakable faith in their Dear Leader.

Trump: "I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters"
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Driving out militants from Idlib now top priority in Syria – Putin

https://www.rt.com/news/437877-putin-idlib-syria-summit/

Driving the extremists out of Syria’s Idlib province should be the primary goal at this stage of the Syrian peace process, Russian President Vladimir Putin said following a meeting with his Turkish and Iranian counterparts.
The Russian leader once again said that Moscow has “irrefutable” evidence that terrorist groups entrenched in the militant-controlled province are seeking to stage false flag attacks using chemical weapons.

“Our common absolute priority lies in the total elimination of terrorists in Syria,” Putin said, adding that Russian forces had recently helped to liberate the southwestern part of the war-torn country and confirming that Idlib province has become the primary target now. “The presence [of militants] poses a direct threat to the … civilians in the whole region,” the president warned.

The president also expressed his hope that the militants “would have the wisdom” to lay down their arms and back down.

Why this emphasis on extremists like a moderate rebels allied with foreign power still militarily challenging the govt is acceptable. If you a rebel want to militarily overthrow a govt, you should expect nothing short of a military response from said govt. This focus on extremists would be used against them.

Also, what if the extremists rebels decided to be moderate now, does it mean the offensive will be stopped? The goal should be to end the civil war and stop all armed opposition to the govt, full stop. Moderate, extreme should make no difference.
 
Why this emphasis on extremists like a moderate rebels allied with foreign power still militarily challenging the govt is acceptable. If you a rebel want to militarily overthrow a govt, you should expect nothing short of a military response from said govt. This focus on extremists would be used against them.

Also, what if the extremists rebels decided to be moderate now, does it mean the offensive will be stopped? The goal should be to end the civil war and stop all armed opposition to the govt, full stop. Moderate, extreme should make no difference.

My interest in this matter starts and stops with US interests going up against Russian interests.

The US has no cause to be there and neither does Russia, there is no upside.
 
My interest in this matter starts and stops with US interests going up against Russian interests.

The US has no cause to be there and neither does Russia, there is no upside.

I understand but if the Syrians and Russians can stop with the silly line of fighting extremists then it would close the opening of US coming in. Also Russia has a port in Syria, they are also allies with the Syrian govt and that is why they are there.

Lastly, if the west can connect their gas pipeline from the Gulf to Europe, Russia would be finished and believe me, this is all downside for Russia and Syria.
 
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