Truckin Mike made a profound statement, that I think is brilliant!

[Deborah K]

Kudos to Mike:

"....... regardless of what Snowdens motives were(I don't care how bad/selfish - but I don't believe they were) the information that he gave to the liberty community does not have a price on it. Its invaluable. How so? I can now walk up to my government loving liberal neighbor, the conservative republican that runs the bar down the road, or the cashier that works at the nearest convenient store and start up a conversation about how the government is watching us. ------ALL without being stared at like I was a 3-eyed hippopotamus."

TMike

Does anybody else see the relevance here? How many years were we, and Dr. Paul called loons, conspiracy theorists, etc. for making such a claim? We've been validated. And we should, ALL of us, in ALL our diversity, be out 'there' talking about this every chance we get, with every person we meet.

 

[angelatc]

indeed

 

[LibertyEagle]

Of course.

Snowden may have screwed the rest of his life to a great degree, but he sure has made his sacrifice count for something. To say I thank him for it is a huge understatement.

 

[donnay]

I look at it this way...when this hijacked government starts demonizing a person or a group I immediately know that it is just opposite of what they are saying. I guess that is the rebel in me.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Not so sure how effective that is, because everyone already feared that, and also already fears that people who randomly approach them with such information are just undercover operatives. You will still get dumb stares.

 

[Deborah K]

Not so sure how effective that is, because everyone already feared that, and also already fears that people who randomly approach them with such information are just undercover operatives. You will still get dumb stares.

Of course you will. But it's well worth the effort. It reminds me of the effect Thomas Paine's pamphlet "Common Sense" had on the colonies. It really created a turning point. Even so, a vast majority of colonists, while they understood what was happening, chose to remain ignorant and to themselves. It mattered not, to the 'tireless minority', and before long even the willfully ignorant were affected by history.

It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.
Samuel Adams

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I just think that "recruitment" type of language should focus on why our side is better and more fun, and not bring up terrifying negativity. If a stranger tried to chat me up about how the government is watching everything I do, it's an automatic unconscious response to think, "That's exactly why I shouldn't be talking to you, dumbass."

 

[S.Shorland]

It just tells you that 'they' think it is too late for 'you' to do anything about it.

 

[GregSarnowski]

In the same vein and just as importantly, Snowden's revelations provide the grounds for a lawsuit to move forward. No longer can the government use the ridiculous circuitous logic that no one has the standing to sue because no one can prove they are being spied on. I believe the ACLU has already started the process in motion.

Not that I have much faith in the government lawyers (I mean "judges") to do the right thing, but at least now things will eventually come to a head in a court of law.

 

[RickyJ]

Kudos to Mike:



Does anybody else see the relevance here? How many years were we, and Dr. Paul called loons, conspiracy theorists, etc. for making such a claim? We've been validated. And we should, ALL of us, in ALL our diversity, be out 'there' talking about this every chance we get, with every person we meet.

It all started in earnest after 9/11. 9/11 was the event that was written about in the Project for a New American Century. WTC 7 came down at near free fall speed. Without 9/11 none of these unconstitutional bills would have been passed and there would have been no invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. How can any thinking person not be a 9/11 truther?

 

[Carson]

Kudos to Mike:

"....... regardless of what Snowdens motives were(I don't care how bad/selfish - but I don't believe they were) the information that he gave to the liberty community does not have a price on it. Its invaluable. How so? I can now walk up to my government loving liberal neighbor, the conservative republican that runs the bar down the road, or the cashier that works at the nearest convenient store and start up a conversation about how the government is watching us. ------ALL without being stared at like I was a 3-eyed hippopotamus."

TMike

Does anybody else see the relevance here? How many years were we, and Dr. Paul called loons, conspiracy theorists, etc. for making such a claim? We've been validated. And we should, ALL of us, in ALL our diversity, be out 'there' talking about this every chance we get, with every person we meet.

So true!

It's been a real game changer.

 

[alucard13mm]

We are still looked at as loonies tbh.

 

[John of Des Moines]

We are still looked at as loonies tbh.

Really? Have had a half a dozen friends and acquaintances say, "You were right."

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Holy shit, that was fucking brilliant. Someone buy that man a beer and something new and chrome plated for his truck.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I agree.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Yeah, what TMike said, and this one http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...what-s-really-going-on-w-BEARCAT-(tube-added) can really set people on fire for listening. Just keep sharing, just keep sharing, ..."hey I can hear what's her face on Nemo"

 

[kathy88]

I wish Deb. stopped at my old office yesterday to see some friends. One woman, who is a bleeding heart liberal economically and a warmongering bloodthirsty bitch foreign policy wise says to me "so, what do think of Snowden?" I of course defended him as someone who did the right thing, etc... Long story short she's okay with the surveillance of her records and communications and the collateral damage in Suria et al because we killed a couple Al Quada. Drones are also a wonderful thing. She's one of those judge mental Christian types who shoves unchristian like behavior in people's faces. My parting comment left her mouth gaping open.

 

[donnay]

I wish Deb. stopped at my old office yesterday to see some friends. One woman, who is a bleeding heart liberal economically and a warmongering bloodthirsty bitch foreign policy wise says to me "so, what do think of Snowden?" I of course defended him as someone who did the right thing, etc... Long story short she's okay with the surveillance of her records and communications and the collateral damage in Suria et al because we killed a couple Al Quada. Drones are also a wonderful thing. She's one of those judge mental Christian types who shoves unchristian like behavior in people's faces. My parting comment left her mouth gaping open.

I really hate getting those silly responses. Must be what her government sponsored clergy told her.

You should reverse it on her...If the government doesn't do anything wrong, what do they have to hide? Besides Snowden didn't directly work for the government per se, the government outsource their spying. Janet Napolitano told the citizens; "See Something - Say Something" and that is what Snowden did.

 

[CaptUSA]

I love that everytime something weird happens on someone's cell phone, or they get a strange email, or anything of the like, I can use it as an opportunity to call out the NSA.

Lose a phone call? "The NSA didn't like what you were saying"
Get an unknown FB invite or a private message gets deleted? "It's the NSA baiting you!"

I've never had so many opportunities to talk about our intrusive government - and people actully stop and think about it!

 

[Chester Copperpot]

yes, lets not let a crisis go to waste... Lets talk to everybody about how evil the govt is