Told ya... Bitcoins are not safe.

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The U.S. is applying money-laundering rules to "virtual currencies," amid growing concern that new forms of cash bought on the Internet are being used to fund illicit activities.

The move means that firms that issue or exchange the increasingly popular online cash will now be regulated in a similar manner as traditional money-order providers such as Western Union Co. They would have new bookkeeping requirements and mandatory reporting for transactions of more than $10,000.

Moreover, firms that receive legal tender in exchange for online currencies or anyone conducting a transaction on someone else's behalf would be subject to new scrutiny, said proponents of Internet currencies.

The rising popularity of virtual currencies, while no more than a drop in the bucket of global liquidity, is being fueled by Internet merchants, as well as users' concerns about privacy, jitters about traditional currencies in Europe and the age-old need to move money for illicit purposes.

The arm of the Treasury Department that fights money laundering said Monday that the standard federal banking rules aimed at suspicious dollar transfers also apply to firms that issue or exchange money that isn't linked to any government and exists only online.

One of the fastest-growing alternative cash products is Bitcoin, an online currency launched in 2009 that isn't backed by a central bank or controlled by a central administrator. Currency units, known as "bitcoins" and consisting of a series of numbers, are created automatically on a set schedule and traded anonymously between digital addresses or "wallets." Certain exchange firms buy or sell bitcoins for legal tender at a rate that fluctuates with the market.

It isn't clear if the latest guidance would apply to a merchant's online scrip. Amazon.com Inc., AMZN -1.51% for example, in February announced Amazon Coins, which starting in May can be used to buy apps and games on Kindle Fire. An Amazon Coin is worth one cent.

Amazon didn't respond to a request for comment.

"We are beyond the stage where this was just funny money and a fun online thing. This is used as a currency," said Nicolas Christin, associate director of Carnegie Mellon University's Information Networking Institute.

Bitcoins can be used in a host of legitimate transactions—for example, website Reddit allows users to upgrade services using bitcoins and blog service Wordpress.com's store accepts them as a form of payment. Pizzaforcoins.com also lets bitcoin savers pay for deliveries through Domino's and other pizzerias.

On the other hand, at least one online service takes bitcoins as payment for illegal drugs, according to a Federal Bureau of Investigation report last year. Bitcoin's backers point out that criminals will use any currency for money laundering or illegal purchases.

"I think it's inevitable that just like you have U.S. dollars used by thieves and criminals, it's sadly inevitable you will have criminals use a virtual currency. We want to work with authorities," said Jeff Garzik, a Bitcoin developer.

Still, law enforcement, regulators and financial institution have expressed worries about the hard-to-trace attributes of virtual currencies, helping trigger this week's move from the Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or FinCen.

Creating clear-cut rules for virtual currencies is difficult. A FinCen official said that anti-money-laundering rules would apply depending on the "factors and circumstances" of each business. The rules don't apply to individuals who simply use virtual currencies to purchase real or virtual goods.

The new guidance "clarifies definitions and expectations to ensure that businesses…are aware of their regulatory responsibilities," said Jennifer Shasky Calvery, FinCen director.

The FBI report last year said Bitcoin attracts cybercriminals who want to move or steal funds. "Bitcoin might also logically attract money launderers and other criminals who avoid traditional financial systems by using the Internet to conduct global monetary transfers," the report said. An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment when asked about the agency's concerns regarding virtual currencies.

For now, the size of the bitcoin market is so small that it could be difficult or costly to move and exchange large amounts of illicit funds. Another danger: extreme price fluctuations.

The value of a bitcoin rose to more than $60 a unit from less than $49 on one exchange following the release of FinCen's new guidance—a move that Mr. Garzik attributed partly to a new level of certainty and legitimacy that federal recognition attaches to bitcoin transactions.

The American Bankers Association in 2011 asked the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to apply consumer financial protection laws uniformly across the financial sector regardless of whether an entity is a traditional bank or one of the evolving nonbank payment providers.

A CFPB spokeswoman declined to comment on the matter.

"This framework would wildly expand the reach of FinCen and the [Bank Secrecy Act],' said Patrick Murck, legal counsel for the Bitcoin Foundation, a trade group that promotes Bitcoin software and security standards. He said the government's rules "would be infeasible for many, if not most, members of the Bitcoin community to comply with."

Some firms say they anticipated the rules. Charlie Sherm, chief executive of bitcoin payment processor BitInstant, said his company is already compliant.

Mr. Christin of Carnegie Mellon said that he believes Bitcoin's dominant use right now is speculation.

"When you have a commodity or currency whose value has grown as rapidly as Bitcoin it makes sense to hold on to it as a speculative instrument," he said. It also is commonly used for online black markets or gambling sites. "Whether used for money laundering…there is no smoking gun."

Trading also is limited. On the biggest exchange, Japan-based Mt. Gox, volume has ranged from the equivalent of about $427,000 a day to just over $8 million a day during the past month, according to BitcoinCharts, a website that provides financial and technical data on bitcoins.

The jump in the bitcoin exchange rate this week also coincides with concerns euros could be taken from retail bank accounts in Cyprus to fund a bailout. Internet blogs say speculators are looking toward currency alternatives.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324373204578374611351125202.html?mod=djemalertNEWS


I still think that if you're in bitcoins you should get out of it at these highs and move into physical precious metals.

The Feds will kill it.

Competition cannot be allowed!
 
No, don't worry about anything. The feds will just allow this e-currency to ruin their monopoly without any interference and buy dope over the web with no taxation or tracking mechanism. Surely nothing could go wrong here :rolleyes:
 
If bicoin users create their own marketplace where most things needed can be purchased using bicoins, then converting them to FRNs becomes a moot point.
 
If bicoin users create their own marketplace where most things needed can be purchased using bicoins, then converting them to FRNs becomes a moot point.

until the miners become known as terrorists and the algo is truncated by the state's script kiddies.
 
until the miners become known as terrorists and the algo is truncated by the state's script kiddies.

That would cause a fork and people would still default to the working one.

This article is funny. You are witnessing the power of state run media. They are just reporting on FinCEN's guidance letter. Which wasn't nearly as threatening as this article.
 
That would cause a fork and people would still default to the working one.

This article is funny. You are witnessing the power of state run media. They are just reporting on FinCEN's guidance letter. Which wasn't nearly as threatening as this article.

I suggest to you that the state run media is not toothless. Not at all. I support you bitcoin users but I think you're going to get fucked by the feds.
 
I suggest to you that the state run media is not toothless. Not at all. I support you bitcoin users but I think you're going to get fucked by the feds.

Worst case scenario is that they can't be exchanged for USD some day. It will be BTC for goods/services only. And the price of those goods denominated in BTC will continually fall.

If the internet tax passes, that will only strengthen the Tor Browser, Bitcoin and sending massages through PGP encryption. Small business wanting to stay alive will join. The feds can't do much about that. If an online store opens on the deep web as popular as bit torrent is now which the feds could never shut down either...it will be huge.

Ship professionally, ship anonymously...enjoy a product with currency that can't be devalued by any government no matter how hard they try.

People didn't stop smoking weed when it was banned. They just kept it more on the down-low when they had to. Other countries will embrace Bitcoin and ridicule the US for being so harsh on it. If non-violent people are buying bunny slippers on the internet, this will expose the fiat lords for what they really are.

"I know you're out there...I can feel you now. I know that
you're afraid. You're afraid of us, you're afraid of
change...I don't know the future...I didn't come here to
tell you how this is going to end, I came here to tell you
how this is going to begin. Now, I'm going to hang up
this phone, and I'm going to show these people what you
don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world
without you...a world without rules and controls, without
borders or boundaries. A world...where anything is
possible.

Where we go from there...is a choice I leave to you..."

~Neo


I don't think global interest has penetrated the surface yet.

Now is a good time to contact Ron & Rand Paul and ask them to be more vocal on supporting competing currencies.
 
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Bitcoins crashed to almost zero a while ago (2 years now) and a student was able to buy them all on a 0.01 buy stop.That trade was then broken.Exchanges/inrefaces make bitcoin and any other electronic currency a piece of cr#p.It will be adopted however as it is exactly what Governments want.They can unplug you at any time.
 
The mere fact they are used in lieu of dollars is enough in itself. There is a couple shops and stores around phoenix now that accept cans as a payment method lol. CANS
 
Bitcoins crashed to almost zero a while ago (2 years now) and a student was able to buy them all on a 0.01 buy stop.That trade was then broken.Exchanges/inrefaces make bitcoin and any other electronic currency a piece of cr#p.It will be adopted however as it is exactly what Governments want.They can unplug you at any time.

Link?
 
Bitcoins crashed to almost zero a while ago (2 years now) and a student was able to buy them all on a 0.01 buy stop.That trade was then broken.Exchanges/inrefaces make bitcoin and any other electronic currency a piece of cr#p.It will be adopted however as it is exactly what Governments want.They can unplug you at any time.

One of the exchanges was hacked, and the guy sold a crapload of Bitcoins so he could buy them all back for $0.01. When the exchange came back up, they rolled back the sell and the buy.

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No penny Bitcoin.

The flaw was with the exchange (MtGox), not Bitcoin. There are other ways to get Bitcoins beside MtGox.
 
So, transactions are "fixed"/"rolled back" based on who's reasoning? Is there an "authority" or checksum on the code or what?
 
FinCEN news is actually good for Bitcoin.

Big Money likes that kind of news.
 
So, transactions are "fixed"/"rolled back" based on who's reasoning? Is there an "authority" or checksum on the code or what?

There is no central authority with Bitcoins that can roll back transactions. MtGox is one of the exchanges you can use to exchange USD for BTC. All MtGox did was reverse what the hacker did (stealing people's Bitcoins and selling them) to their own exchange. This is why I don't store my coins in an online wallet.
 
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