This winter is our final hour...

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[ATruepatriot]

I believe you may be on to the truth. Theye have painted us into a very nasty corner. The apparent strategy is simplicity itself: $#@! with us in such manners and degrees that one of two things happen. We either blow a nationwide fuse and go into full war-dance, or we fold like cheap suits and finally capitulate utterly to the Tyrant. Either way, Theye see themselves as winners. If we war, Theye send in an international army full of fellows not just willing to genocide the American breed, but eager to do so. So complete a war has been waged against the American animal these past 150 years, the full-bore measure of it coming to bear against us in the past thirty or forty years, that the world has fallen utterly for the steaming pile of lies of how we live and why everything we do and that for which we stand is naught but the most essential evil imaginable. It has been a psywar operation to put all others to shame. The Chinese army will relish setting boots on American soil, as will those of several other nations, and the more we fight in defense, the more resolute will they become to wipe us out, and you can rest assured there will be no speak of Geneva Conventions and all that rot. It will be the largest and most outright bloodbath since WW II and much of the world will find itself masturbating with wild abandon at the thought that we Americans are to extinguished as such.

If we surrender, then we are still extinguished as Americans, though perhaps we retain what will then have proven to be nothing better than our most wretched existences. This, of course, is the far worse fate as they physically go door to door to disarm us and reduce us to a status even Muslims would lack the stomach to foist. The degradation will be utter and continuous as the world gets to witness the end of humanity's last hope. At that point, the human world will be ready for the fork.



You poor sot... landing in the same boat in which I've been floating for fifty years. Well, I suppose we can spend time telling one another dirty jokes.



The truly irritating bit here is that it doesn't have to be that way. We are choosing our doom for the sake of low-rent convenience. Were we indeed Freemen, we would long ago have rounded up those who violated their oaths, hung them, and perhaps sent their innocent children into the Void right along with them... ahead of them in fact, so they could witness the unspeakable consequences of what they'd done, not so much as punishment for their crimes, but as a clear message to any and all who would presume to don the mantle of the Public Trust. This is all such people understand and respect: brutal retaliation for their crimes. Otherwise, we get the world as we now enjoy it, and it is 100% on us, not Themme. After all, a sidewinder bites as a matter of its nature. To "blame" it is irrational. To kill it when it threatens, on the other hand, is sound.



A bold prediction, but not implausible. I still cannot quite tell with confidence whether Trump is the real deal, or part of an unimaginably long con. I know it seems paranoid as hell to think of it all as such a con, but I just cannot escape that uneasy feeling that we're all taking it up the butt in ways most can't even imagine. There is nothing that cements my belief in the contrariwise notion that Trump is in fact what he appears: an actual patriot who, in spite of his seemingly imperfect understanding of liberty, is of sufficient caliber of a man that he's perhaps the only one capable and willing at this time to drive off the vampires. And so I sit patiently in wait for a punchline that is now not very far off.



I don't know what will happen or when, but I agree with you 100% about how we bull$#@! ourselves, even about how Trump is going to save us. I hope I prove wrong on everything, that the cavalry comes to our rescue and that we the people learn the lessons, but that hope is vanishingly thin, and it is a most depressing thought.



I'd rather we started thinking in terms of killing those bastards and their entire families. Alas, we have not the sand nor the sense, much less the integrity.



Until about two years ago, my wife traveled to China every week and did so for enough years that many of the local merchants and she knew each other by name. She will tell you that the misery in China is vast. Their lives are nothing to emulate. But I'm slowly edging into old age and don't really care that much any longer about thing like dying in combat or rotting in a cell. You get that way past a year, or so it has been in my case and many I know of similar age. We're the ones Theye want dead the most because we carry live history with us and we are not afraid and we are not naive. That is a dangerous combination and Theye know it.



No. I would rather find my very sneaky self in a hide with a good long-distance rifle, taking as many of those bastards to hell with me as I am able to manage.



I'm no deer. I'm Danger.



S'right. It's what we're here for.

Thank you very much for the intelligent and objective reply osan. I fully understand your position on all the points. I too have had my own suspicions about Trump (the hero Musk also), they both could be wearing a coat of many colors and are a rope a dope for the Globalists. But Trump did prove himself to be somewhat useful the in right direction by wanting to make the economy better and getting us out of the wars. Which I suspect is why the MIC had to get him out at all costs. But he has the numbers and if only by a miracle, the only one who can beat the Democrats. He might just hold off the storm for another four years if he plays his cards right. But again the odds of him even making it to election day and winning are now astronomical.

I'm not at all suggesting we emulate the Chinese, I'm suggesting that based on our new reality that we study how they do make their lives a little easier and adapt them into our own situation. I'm sure they have written the book on how to duck their oppressive government "as best as possible". Point is, although we arrogantly think we are not going to need this knowledge and experience, we really will soon like it or not, it is coming way sooner than anyone is figuring. It really is time to wake up and realize how grave our present situation really is and act accordingly to make the blow coming less painful. Far too many are not, they are in denial, and they are going to take the rest of us down with them.

Thank you again for the great reply. I haven't been here much the last few years but I always enjoyed dialog with you osan. Your reply was what I was hoping for and why I posted this here also.

 

[ATruepatriot]

We wouldn't be here if Republicans hadn't so carefully conserved every single step the Democrats took down this road. Just sayin'.

Now yeehaw socialists are coming in here and trying to get the remnant to capitulate. Hey, TruePatriot, I don't think being a yeehawer is fashionable right now. And by screeching for our surrender, you aren't exactly polishing the yeehaw socialist reputation.

Sorry you couldn't attention whore us into a panic for your amusement, but we're made of sterner stuff than yeehaw socialists are. We're going to give them more than slogans before we're through, and we're not going to kiss their asses before sneaking around behind their backs. Stop sounding arrogant; you're the one who's late to this party.

Your unnecessary derogatory comments display your grade level. You should be proud you actually made it to the fourth grade.

 

[acptulsa]

I haven't been here much the last few years but I always enjoyed dialog with you osan. Your reply was what I was hoping for and why I posted this here also.

I thought I remembered that you two got along, that's why I dragged him into this conversation by quoting him here.

Well, when I detected a hint of panic I thought they might have taken the starch out of your collar. From the assumption that we aren't working on everything from alternative currencies to gardening, to the reference to dear old Mrs. Long (bless her memory), I see that you're as presumptuous as ever. You might be fit for tough times after all.

 

[osan]

Thank you very much for the intelligent and objective reply osan. I fully understand your position on all the points. I too have had my own suspicions about Trump (the hero Musk also), they both could be wearing a coat of many colors and are a rope a dope for the Globalists. But Trump did prove himself to be somewhat useful the in right direction by wanting to make the economy better and getting us out of the wars. Which I suspect is why the MIC had to get him out at all costs. But he has the numbers and if only by a miracle, the only one who can beat the Democrats. He might just hold off the storm for another four years if he plays his cards right. But again the odds of him even making it to election day and winning are now astronomical.

I'm not at all suggesting we emulate the Chinese, I'm suggesting that based on our new reality that we study how they do make their lives a little easier and adapt them into our own situation. I'm sure they have written the book on how to duck their oppressive government "as best as possible". Point is, although we arrogantly think we are not going to need this knowledge and experience, we really will soon like it or not, it is coming way sooner than anyone is figuring. It really is time to wake up and realize how grave our present situation really is and act accordingly to make the blow coming less painful. Far too many are not, they are in denial, and they are going to take the rest of us down with them.

Thank you again for the great reply. I haven't been here much the last few years but I always enjoyed dialog with you osan. Your reply was what I was hoping for and why I posted this here also.

Thanks to you as well.

As for how the. Chinese deal, I'm not that interested. What I want to see is hotwar. I don't want it because I'm some armchair dickhead who thinks war is neat and glamorous. I want it because I see it as the only hope remaining to us. Several other options exist... in theory. But how likely is it that the various factions who now wish to rip out each other's lungs will have that come-to-Jesus moment and unite against the Global Tyrant? I call that chance twenty places on the wrong side of of the dot. It isn't going to happen. What remains? Pray? All well and good, and if Jesus returns in a sour mood and a mind to straighten this shit out, I will heave a sigh of thankful relief, even if I'm one of the damned. But I don't see any of that happening. God gave us what we need to live well and all we have done, on the whole, is squander these wonderful gifts. We've been doing that for thousands of years and our technologies are now enough that we are easily capable of unwinding ourselves right into Oblivion.

But if I've misjudged the numbers and we are enough to get this dirty job done, then I say the sooner, the better because time is by no means on our side, and I see no possibility that we will set aside our differences and turn our ire toward our real enemy.