This is why physical possession of precious metals matters

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From our friends at zerohedge:
The Gold "Rehypothecation" Unwind Begins: HSBC Sues MF Global Over Disputed Ownership Of Physical Gold
That paper gold, in the form of electronic ones and zeros, typically used by various gold ETFs, or anything really that is a stock certificate owned by the ubiquitous Cede & Co (read about the DTCC here), is in a worst case scenario immediately null and void as it is, as noted, nothing but ones and zeros on some hard disk that can be formatted with a keystroke, has long been known, and has been the reason why the so called gold bugs have always advocated keeping ultimate wealth safeguards away from any form of counterparty risk. Which in our day and age of infinite monetary interconnections, means virtually every financial entity. After all, just ask Gerald Celente what happened to his so-called gold held at MF Global, or as it is better known now: "General Unsecured Claim", which may or may not receive a pennies on the dollar equitable treatment post liquidation. What, however, was less known is that physical gold in the hands of the very same insolvent financial syndicate of daisy-chained underfunded organizations, where the premature (or overdue) end of one now means the end of all, is also just as unsafe, if not more. Which is why we read with great distress a just broken story by Bloomberg according to which HSBC, that other great gold "depository" after JP Morgan (and the custodian of none other than GLD) is suing MG Global "to establish whether he or another person is the rightful owner of gold worth about $850,000 and silver bars underlying contracts between the brokerage and a client." The notional amount is irrelevant: it could have been $0.01 or $1 trillion: what is very much relevant however, is whether or not MF Global was rehypothecating (there is that word again), or lending, or repoing, or whatever you want to call it, that one physical asset that it should not have been transferring ownership rights to under any circumstances. Essentially, this is at the heart of the whole commingling situation: was MF Global using rehypothecated client gold to satisfy liabilities? The thought alone should send shivers up the spine of all those gold "bugs" who have been warning about precisely this for years. Because the implications could be staggering.
Probably the core primary consequence of this discovery, which obviously has a factual basis, or else it would not lead to an actual lawsuit between two "reputable" firms (aka ponzi participants), is whether gold in the GLD warehouse, supervised by HSBC, is truly theirs, or has it all been hypothecated from some other broker who never really had the asset or the liquidity, and so on in what effectively can be an infinite chain of repledging one asset to countless counterparties. Because if there is on cockroach... Suffice to say, expect either a prompt settlement in this lawsuit, or a fervent denial by all parties involved that any gold was misplaced. Because here is the punchline: each physical gold or silver bar has a unique deisgnator that should never be doubled, yet this is precisely what happened to lead to the lawsuit! In a non-banana world, there should never be any debate over who owns a given physical asset, as replicated ownership (note - not liens) effectively means someone stole the gold and was never caught... until MF Global finally expired of course.
So in other words, is this the eureka moment when everyone realizes that any gold, be it paper or physical, is either a irrelevant electronic binary claim held in some semiconductor, or at best an asset in some vault... that the brokerage next door suddenly also has claims over. The end result is that the biggest loser is Joe Sixpack who bought the gold, and decided to keep it in a bank warehouse for "safekeeping" only to realize said gold will never be seen or heard of again?
From Bloomberg:
Five gold bars and 15 silver bars underlie eight Comex contracts between the brokerage and client Jason Fane of Ithaca, New York, London-based HSBC said in a court filing yesterday. Both parties have asserted claims to the bars, creating difficulties for HSBC, which is storing them, the bank said, asking a judge to decide who the rightful owner is.
“HSBC has received conflicting instructions regarding ownership and disposition of the property,” it said. “Accordingly, HSBC is exposed to multiple liabilities with respect to the disposition of the properties.”
According to Fane’s letter, the five Comex gold contracts are for an average of 99 ounces of gold each.
Giddens, who is liquidating the brokerage, has transferred about 38,000 commodity accounts to other firms. Three transfers of collateral made and pending will give commodity customers more than $4 billion of their assets, according to court filings.
The punchline:
The judge handling the bankruptcy said today he would deal in January with issues about distributing physical goods, such as gold and silver bars, after lawyers for some customers said they couldn’t get their share of the payouts because bars can’t be broken into pieces.
...indeed there is a reason why people say gold can not be diluted.
As for our advice: move any gold out of the LBMA or CME warehouse system immediately. And only treat any GLD investment as a day trading vehicle that can and will be lost the second there is a global liquidity or solvency freeze, because that particular asset will be wiped out as easily as "C:\format C:"
The brokerage case is Securities Investor Protection Corp. v. MF Global Inc., 11-02790, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan). The parent’s bankruptcy case is MF Global Holdings Ltd., 11-bk-15059, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/gold-...-global-over-disputed-ownership-physical-gold
 
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Christmas 2012: (the world) is going to look nothing like it does now. If only within the financial landscape.
 
Looks like the sharks (i.e. TBTFB) have to stopped hunting the small fish (i.e. us), they´re now hunting other sharks...
 
Not good. I seem to recall some people looking as hard they could for this kind of fraud in Silver (probably Ted butler related), and they couldn't find too many real problems like this (physical gold promised to more than one person). Of course what kind of thieves would let any outside person see the real books?
 
Not good. I seem to recall some people looking as hard they could for this kind of fraud in Silver (probably Ted butler related), and they couldn't find too many real problems like this (physical gold promised to more than one person). Of course what kind of thieves would let any outside person see the real books?
UBS charged "storage fees" for silver which didn´t exist
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51439588/UBS-Class-Action-Alleges-Unallocated-Silver-Storage-Scam

Morgan Stanley did the same thing:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/06/12/idUSN1228014520070612
 
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They've turned the global ponzi scheme into a tontine.

The last man standing wins everything.
 
They've turned the global ponzi scheme into a tontine.

The last man standing wins everything.

There is a chilling truth to that, no different in principle to how the entire global economy is structured. Debauched currencies ARE multiple conflicting claims on the same wealth, and are historically the stuff of wars - from getting into them to expanding them. Think Germany is in any position to reach for the gold it has a claim to in New York? It's as good as confiscated. The power of the inflated, constantly diluted currency only needs to outlast the war. Then, to the victor, or the last ARMY standing, goes the spoils; as well as the ability to dictate all the rules of surrender. And if, like Greece, Italy and others, you fall before before the bow breaks, you will be propped up...by those same rules of surrender, as if you had already fought and lost a war.

And once those "free liquidity" loans are in place, austerity is dictated...

 
Probably the core primary consequence of this discovery, which obviously has a factual basis, or else it would not lead to an actual lawsuit between two "reputable" firms (aka ponzi participants), is whether gold in the GLD warehouse, supervised by HSBC, is truly theirs, or has it all been hypothecated from some other broker who never really had the asset or the liquidity, and so on in what effectively can be an infinite chain of repledging one asset to countless counterparties.

This is exactly what they did with the mortgages they "bundled" into MBS so why would anyone expect they wouldn't do the exact same thing with any other asset, like metals? Just resell the same "asset" to multiple parties and hope no one calls it in. It's also loosely the same principle as fractional reserve lending. You only hold a fraction of what you're actually lending out and then praying that not everyone comes for their assets at the same time. The whole system is probably based on this basic principle now. It's outright fraud but it works....until it doesnt....just ask MF Global and the big banks that needed bailouts.
 
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This is exactly what they did with the mortgages they "bundled" into MBS so why would anyone expect they wouldn't do the exact same thing with any other asset, like metals? Just resell the same "asset" to multiple parties and hope no one calls it in. It's also loosely the same principle as fractional reserve lending. You only hold a fraction of what you're actually lending out and then praying that not everyone comes for their assets at the same time. The whole system is probably based on this basic principle now. It's outright fraud but it works....until it doesnt....just ask MF Global and the big banks that needed bailouts.

I just wrote about that in another forum, saying essentially the same thing.

With an outright Ponzi scheme, like an inherently insolvent bank running on a Ponzi principle, you only need enough liquidity to maintain the illusion of solvency, so that nobody panics and dumps their paper. A continuously mined supply of silver, especially if the price is allowed to go just high enough to make it profitable to mine, could make it the ultimate Ponzi scheme, given that there is always just enough silver produced to service the illusion of solvency and liquidity to all the paper derivatives. That is something banks don't even have. Their liquidity has to come from existing debts, or else from a vacuum. Thus, it may take a far more massive run on physical to cause an actual implosion, and crash all the inverted pyramids. That might also account for why Sprott is actively encouraging silver mines to reinvest 25% in their own physical, taking it out of circulation as well, so that it can't keep re-seeding the illusion.
 
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Then those same entities buy CDS against their own frauds and wait for the taxpayers to pay for it when it eventually implodes. Im sure there's plenty of CDS currently floating around based on metal defaults too. Goldman and others perfected it back in 2008 and that's mainly why AIG had to be propped up. It's an ingenious scheme really, if it wasn't so ethically and legally wrong. And take it to the next step and naked short yourself into default so you get paid on the upswing, the downswing, the default AND still end up with the gold in your possession? Ok now Im getting carried away and scaring myself......

Anybody know if Corzine was asked in his recent Congressional appearances whether he personally or any of his MF Global associates purchased any CDS against any MF Global related defaults?
 
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Deflating the derivatives balloon
Derivatives have a bad name for many commentators, with some describing them variously as dangerous or even weapons of mass destruction. The sheer size of over-the-counter derivative markets is staggering. According to the Bank for International Settlements, OTC derivatives stood at $707 trillion at the end of June, nearly fourteen times global GDP and forty seven times that of the United States. This is not as alarming as it seems, since over 87% of this is interest-rate swaps and foreign exchange contracts, business that has a solid commercial foundation. However, with forces like these at work it is easy to understand why people think they would be de-risked if they were regulated.
Such a simplistic view ignores the linkages between a firm’s activities in unrelated markets. This seems to have led to the downfall of MF Global, the eighth-largest bankruptcy in US history. It appears that they were scuppered by perfectly legal off-balance sheet repos-to-maturity in European government debt. It also appears that segregated customer funds were used for this purpose, and not co-mingled with the firm’s funds as first supposed. While final redemption of the sovereign debt was guaranteed by both the individual sovereigns and the European Financial Stability Fund and matched to its funding, MF Global was tripped up by margin calls it was unable to meet. The use of client funds in this manner may turn out to have been perfectly legal and so they are completely lost.
As the story unfolds the result is bound to lead to increased questions about Comex operations, where MF Global was a clearing member; and when confidence is lost turnover is almost certain to decline as users of the markets make hedging and trading arrangements elsewhere. This is already happening. Barnhardt Capital, a small agency broker, was closed by its owner who stated, “I could no longer tell my clients that their monies and positions were safe in the futures and options markets – because they are not”. Last Monday Commodity Online ran a story about how “silver positions are being liquidated by Comex traders after the MF Global fiasco uncovered the fragility of paper assets.” This is very bad news for small traders, but it is also bad news for the large traders who require market liquidity to maintain their short positions.
You simply cannot run a position many times larger than normal dealing size when turnover is contracting, and thanks to a disaster beyond Comex’s control, liquidity is drying up. For the large commercial traders who are short of gold and silver futures this could turn out to be a very serious problem.
The good news is that we are finally witnessing the transfer of pricing-power from futures to physical markets, which at least is a vote for honesty and a step in the right direction.
http://www.goldmoney.com/gold-research/alasdair-macleod/deflating-the-derivatives-balloon.html
 
The sheer size of over-the-counter derivative markets is staggering. According to the Bank for International Settlements, OTC derivatives stood at $707 trillion at the end of June, nearly fourteen times global GDP and forty seven times that of the United States. This is not as alarming as it seems, since over 87% of this is interest-rate swaps and foreign exchange contracts, business that has a solid commercial foundation.

Yeah, if you call losing your entire country in a series of high stakes interest-swap poker games with the banks a "solid commercial foundation", I guess that shouldn't be too alarming. :D
 
Yeah, if you call losing your entire country in a series of high stakes interest-swap poker games with the banks a "solid commercial foundation", I guess that shouldn't be too alarming. :D
As far as I remember, the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) has done research on that. They´ve simulated rapid changes in interest rates (both FED fund and treasuries). According to them, the stability of the interest rates swap market depends on how quick rates change.
I lack the time to search for the document now, but I´m pretty sure it´s on the website of the BIS: http://www.bis.org/
 
Make sure you have physical cash too. 6mo of living expenses in physical cash is smart.
 
In 2010 the cash handlers, Brinks workers, in Belgium were on strike for a few weeks. You couldn't get cash from the ATMs. It was an interesting situation to be in, when in Europe the people primarily use cash for day to day purchases. I imagine having a little physical cash would be wise.
 
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