This country banned abortion and now, abortion promoters can’t believe their eyes!

[RPfan1992]

This country banned abortion and now, abortion promoters can’t believe their eyes!

“Outlaw abortion and abortion won’t stop. Women will just do it illegally and women will die!”

Or so the argument goes… But facts are pesky things, and they show that the opposite is true in Chile.

According to new research from the MELISA Institute, since Chile’s ban on abortion, not only has maternal health improved but the number of women seeking illegal abortion has plummeted!

Since Chile banned abortion in 1989, the number of maternal deaths decreased from 41.3 to 12.7 per 100,000 women (69.2% reduction). That puts Chile in second place for the lowest maternal mortality rate in the Americas (that’s right, even better than the United States). Prof. Elard Koch, a molecular epidemiologist and lead author of the study, says educating women enhanced their ability to access existing health care resources, and since those resources included skilled attendants for childbirth, that directly led to a reduction of maternal deaths during pregnancy and childbirth.

As Dr. Koch explains, “it is a unique natural experiment conducted in a developing country.” During the fifty-year period under study, the overall maternal mortality rate dramatically declined by 93.8%, from 270.7 to 18.2 deaths per 100,000 live births, making Chile a leader in maternal healthcare outcomes in the Americas. But wait. If abortion is legally banned, wouldn’t we expect to see the number of women hospitalized due to illegal abortion procedures increase? Aren’t women just seeking abortions outside of proper healthcare facilities?

No. Not only is Chile one of the safest places in the world for women to give birth, but the number of women actually seeking abortion is also declining. According to data from the Chilean Ministry of Health, the country displays a continuous decreasing trend of hospital discharges due to complications of abortions suspected to be illegally induced at a rate of 2% per year since 2001. In contrast, a decreasing trend was not observed in hospital discharges due to miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy, which have remained constant during the same period.

Dr. Koch’s research also found that a large sample of abortion-minded women in Chile displayed a vulnerability profile marked by coercion and fear, which accounted for nearly 70% of the reasons women considered abortion. Moreover, the research indicated that support programs directed to vulnerable women can prevent most illegal abortions, with an outcome of live birth (with or without adoption) ranging between 69% and 94% depending on the risk group. It’s not sheer coincidence that Malta, The Republic of Ireland, and Chile, all of which have prohibited abortion, have lower maternal mortality rates than the United States. In Africa, where 56% of all maternal mortalities occur, abortion-related maternal mortality is less than half what it is in developed countries. Yet there are more restrictions on abortion in Africa than in developed countries! So what’s the deal? In countries with higher abortion restrictions, fewer women have to seek treatment for “unsafe abortion” than in countries where abortion is “safe and legal.”

The result’s of Chile’s natural experiment is bad news for the pro-abortion lobby. But it’s great news for mothers and the unborn!

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinio...and-now-abortion-promoters-cant-believe-their

 

[Ronin Truth]

Gee, just think of all of the voters and taxpayers the Dems have aborted. Self correcting problem.

 

[2young2vote]

Are they traveling to other countries to have abortions?

 

[idiom]

Graph says mortality rate was already plummeting when abortion was banned. Abortion didn't make a dent, there were much stronger macro trends.

 

[DamianTV]

I still support abortions, especially POST BIRTH abortions. Namely for the small group of dominant men who falsely believe they are the masters of all in existence.

(Note: this is Sarcasm)

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Graph says mortality rate was already plummeting when abortion was banned. Abortion didn't make a dent, there were much stronger macro trends.

I was just going to mention that.

 

[TaftFan]

Back alley abortions where you possibly die trying to kill your kid? Not appealing. Abortions will decline if banned.

 

[DamianTV]

Back alley abortions where you possibly die trying to kill your kid? Not appealing. Abortions will decline if banned.

Ban Tobacco too while youre at it. It is only going to create a black market for it. Keeping it legal, despite any reservations that either of us may have, and despite "more govt", will allow abortions to be much more controllabe. Keeping abortion controllable is only possible if it is kept legal. Once it becomes illegal, the sky becomes the limit, where 3rd Trimester abortions occur by non medical people looking to look past any sense of morality just to make a buck.

 

[TaftFan]

Ban Tobacco too while youre at it. It is only going to create a black market for it. Keeping it legal, despite any reservations that either of us may have, and despite "more govt", will allow abortions to be much more controllabe. Keeping abortion controllable is only possible if it is kept legal. Once it becomes illegal, the sky becomes the limit, where 3rd Trimester abortions occur by non medical people looking to look past any sense of morality just to make a buck.

Legalize murder then because there is no way to reduce it? If the penalty/circumstance is too much of a risk, the number of abortions will go down. Of course some sort of black market will always exist.

If someone waits and wants a third trimester abortion, they will get it on the black market now. It makes no sense for someone to wait that long in the first place.

Nor does it make sense to risk your own life with a sketchy doctor in order to kill your child. For most, it would be preferable to carry the child all the way. There is also the loss of cultural acceptability that comes with the ban.

 

[DamianTV]

Legalize murder then because there is no way to reduce it? If the penalty/circumstance is too much of a risk, the number of abortions will go down. Of course some sort of black market will always exist.

If someone waits and wants a third trimester abortion, they will get it on the black market now. It makes no sense for someone to wait that long in the first place.

Nor does it make sense to risk your own life with a sketchy doctor in order to kill your child. For most, it would be preferable to carry the child all the way. There is also the loss of cultural acceptability that comes with the ban.

Regardless of the outcome, this still Validates the Governments Monopoly on Violence and Ownership of all humans. Govt has gotten big because we have too frequently asked Govt to step in and handle thing we dont want to dirty our hands with. You did bring up a good point to bring up Murder. One human causes the death of another human. If either of us were to try to hold the murderer accountable, that would also be considered Murder, but when our Govt sends men to war to murder others in other countries, it doesnt count as Murder. Being a Govt does not absolve the responsibility of Murder, be it by Death Penalty, War, or Abortion. And what has allowed Govts to consistently get away with this is our continued validation of the actions of the Govt. Govt is the problem. Govt has always been the problem. The solution isnt to focus on Abortion and ignore War, but to address the real problem as Government itself. Govt is where everything else is decreed to be legal or illegal. Tobacco, Drugs, Abortion, all subject to the approval of Govt. And Govt is the problem because it is exploited by the people as a way of not dirtying their hands to through the Monopoly on Violence to do things that is considered beyond the authority of the people, but supposedly not of the Govt, and that beyond everything else, is what needs to stop. It is a bit more of an anarchist response than I like, but honestly, I dont support anarchy any more than I support the harm of any person for ANY reason, even if the consequence is less than the death of any human being.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Am I the only one who responds to the whole "women dying in a crappy back-alley abortion clinic" scenario with complete and total indifference? I mean, its pretty much divine justice.

Put another way, am I the only one who actually thinks abortion is murder, and thus should be a capital crime?

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Put another way, am I the only one who actually thinks abortion is murder, and thus should be a capital crime?

Well, I'm very uneasy about Capital Punishment, I don't trust the government with that power.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Well, I'm very uneasy about Capital Punishment, I don't trust the government with that power.

OK fair point, if you don't believe in the death penalty that makese sense. Edit to "same punishment as murder."

I hate imprisonment...

 

[RPfan1992]

Am I the only one who responds to the whole "women dying in a crappy back-alley abortion clinic" scenario with complete and total indifference? I mean, its pretty much divine justice.

Put another way, am I the only one who actually thinks abortion is murder, and thus should be a capital crime?

Here is a great video with a libertarian view on abortion. He addressed on some of your points.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Here is a great video with a libertarian view on abortion. He addressed on some of your points.

Good video, thanks. I disagreed with a few points, but not many (I believe in propositional revelation rather than "natural" rights, and I believe its immoral to kill your child even if they are "deformed" or "likely to die anyway.") But overall I agree.

 

[euphemia]

Wow, that was a very powerful discourse.

 

[jmdrake]

Graph says mortality rate was already plummeting when abortion was banned. Abortion didn't make a dent, there were much stronger macro trends.

Well yeah. But that doesn't change the point. It's not simply that maternal mortality went down. It's that banning abortion didn't make it go up. So the argument that banning abortion will necessarily cause more women to die seems far fetched. It's similar to the fact that crime went down in Colorado despite marijuana being legalized. While that doesn't prove that decriminalizing necessarily will cause the crime rate to go down (though I think it does) it does show that it didn't reverse the trend of falling crime rates that was already happening. I'm cautiously optimistic that at the end of the year when the NYPD work slowdown has not caused an increase in crime in that city as well.

 

[jmdrake]

Here is a great video with a libertarian view on abortion. He addressed on some of your points.

Very good video. Thank you for posting it.

 

[osan]

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinio...and-now-abortion-promoters-cant-believe-their

What the hell? If you look at the graph, it shows an interpolative peak ca. 1963, then a strong decline. The curve looks very Gaussian and 1989 rests at the already very flat tail. Is this author smoking meth? Does he not know how to read a graph? Have I missed something truly vital here? Given the author's own historical depiction, the abortion issue appears not to have had anything to do with that which he claims. I'd call that FAIL. There are several other gaping holes in the reasoning here, one of them being no answer to the question of whether women have simply said, "OK you assholes, I will go to Venezuela and get this thing hoovered out of me."

Come on, this isn't even a respectable effort for a dull 6th-grader. Someone needs to wear a paper bag for the next 10-15 years and pray daily people will forget.

 

[osan]

Back alley abortions where you possibly die trying to kill your kid? Not appealing. Abortions will decline if banned.

Based on what facts? Do you mean the abortion rate will decline, or that some women will obey the ban, while others take it as a challenge?