The seeds of Ferguson were sown decades ago; Liberty Movement Shouldn't Interfere

[AuH20]

My sentiments exactly.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2014...erguson-misrepresenting-the-liberty-movement/

I have for a very long time taken the position – at work and at home – that I don’t fill in the gaps for people. If you work too hard to repair the bad decisions by management at work, they never learn from their mistakes. If you undo the consequences of every bad decision your child makes, he never learns. Like it or not, in God’s economy, consequences is the premier teacher. Blocking consequences is the same thing as hating your child. Don’t do it.

My position on Ferguson is that the police should back away. If the criminals want to tear up the gas stations, grocery stores, roads, sewage and water supply systems, then so be it. Let them do it. They will learn from the consequences of said actions when no more groceries can be obtained, no automobile gasoline is available, and they have no power for their air conditioners, heaters and televisions. We owe them nothing.

There are no good guys in Ferguson. The liberty movement doesn’t have to side with anyone in order to maintain the position that criminals should be prosecuted and the police shouldn’t be militarized. It’s possible to walk and chew gum at the same time. Aligning with the criminals is a bad move not only from the perspective of optics, but also from the perspective of morals. I am not a criminal, and I have no sympathy for criminals.

Ferguson is the hive’s chickens coming home to roost. It is the collectivist’s nightmare. A class of people who have had the family destroyed for generations, been taught that we owe them something for generations, and think they can break the law with impunity, are at odds with the police and other authorities, while the police and other authorities are under criticism for using the very tactics on this entitled class that the collectivists set them to to use, because they want to fill in the gap and prevent the effects of consequences (I think Mike Vanderboegh pointed out something like that with his clever title). We should all stand back and say to the collectivists, “Look upon what thou hast created. Are you proud?”

Nightmare. And it’s just beginning. Ferguson is a microcosm of Chicago, LA, Houston, New York, and Atlanta. It’s all unraveling for them. Your job is to be prepared, not to side with any of them. This is their nightmare. Let them live it alone. Let Ferguson burn. Don’t fill in the gaps for them. Don’t side with criminals or militarized police. Let it all collapse, you have no friends in the fight.

 

[Dr.3D]

The problem there is, from what I've been reading, it's not the people in the neighborhood that are committing the crimes. The reports are that it's others who are taking advantage of the situation and are coming into the area to loot the stores.

 

[CaptUSA]

I get this, but...

The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.

— HL Mencken

 

[moostraks]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.~~Martin Niemöller

 

[twomp]

You let the police get away with this shit in "ghetto, black neighborhoods" and you think it will be the end? How many of you think the police won't roll up to your beautiful "white neighborhood" one day and do the same to you? Because you are white and civilized. They wouldn't dare?

 

[thoughtomator]

I stand with everyone else who is subject to "comply or die" policing.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

It s true that underlying causes of this episode were not born yesterday and there are bound to be more episodes like these untill there is a major paradigm shift in America.


Is the ongoing Surge of Police State in America a Surge of Karma?

Do 90% of African-Americans support a public servant who acts as judge/jury/executioner?

Entire House Of Reps Gives Standing Ovation To Cops After Killing Unarmed Mother

Hypothetical: Does thugish behavior trickle down to policing institutions from the top

 

[AuH20]

You let the police get away with this shit in "ghetto, black neighborhoods" and you think it will be the end? How many of you think the police won't roll up to your beautiful "white neighborhood" one day and do the same to you? Because you are white and civilized. They wouldn't dare?

Yes, that is all but assured. The government didn't build a state of the art data mining facility for gang-bangers. We are not fixing decades of conditioning and negligence by jumping into the middle of this. Many of these protesters are irate that the government is not doing enough for them. The die has been already cast. Now the patriot movement has to use the time that it's been given. Let the police state send all their resources into the hood. That should keep them occupied for awhile.

 

[acptulsa]

My sentiments exactly.

What--that the only good libertarian is one who is shooting himself in the foot?

I guess you're not a Christian, then, because you think God shouldn't have sent us a Teacher to help us rise above our own ignorance and savagery? Or do you think God is such a micromanager that He disapproves of us trying--imperfectly--to emulate that?

These people are finally beginning to see just how much the government loves us and wants us to be happy--and thanks to the fact that they got off their asses and did something about it (even if it's the wrong thing, too little too late, involved shitting where they lived, and /or opened the door to carpetbaggers) the rest of the nation is learning the same hard lesson. And you want us to go Galt prematurely and forfeit the field to the damned pinko commies? Why do you want the pinkos to win? In the very words of the man you style yourself a fan of, why not victory?

Go shoot yourself in the foot. We can come up with better targets than that.

 

[Tod]

play list offers different perspective

 

[moostraks]

Yes, that is all but assured. The government didn't build a state of the art data mining facility for gang-bangers. We are not fixing decades of conditioning and negligence by jumping into the middle of this. Many of these protesters are irate that the government is not doing enough for them. The die has been already cast. Now the patriot movement has to use the time that it's been given. Let the police state send all their resources into the hood. That should keep them occupied for awhile.

When you offer people up as a sacrifice to feed the beast you lose valuable allies that you could win over through love and education and the beast grows from having fed upon others. So with your attitude the die is cast for the whites as well, they begged for their own chains through the support they have given the system to grow into the beast it is so why bother with any of it? You think anyone will be there for you after you alienate them by your selfishness and disrespect?

 

[AuH20]

When you offer people up as a sacrifice to feed the beast you lose valuable allies that you could win over through love and education and the beast grows from having fed upon others. So with your attitude the die is cast for the whites as well, they begged for their own chains through the support they have given the system to grow into the beast it is so why bother with any of it? You think anyone will be there for you after you alienate them by your selfishness and disrespect?

Yes, sadly. A sizable portion of whites are gone too. Trying to save people who don't want to be saved has made me cynical. I'm sorry.

 

[Madison320]

The situation in Ferguson is a natural consequence of socialism. Welfare, the war on drugs and bad public schools has screwed up the black community. On top of that bad socialist laws (drug laws for example) have created a police force that works against the population instead of for it. That being said the irrational hatred of the police and refusal to recognize the facts so far in this case is embarrassing in this forum.

What worries me is what's going to happen when the dollar crashes and these protesters really have something to be mad about?

 

[twomp]

The situation in Ferguson is a natural consequence of socialism. Welfare, the war on drugs and bad public schools has screwed up the black community. On top of that bad socialist laws (drug laws for example) have created a police force that works against the population instead of for it. That being said the irrational hatred of the police and refusal to recognize the facts so far in this case is embarrassing in this forum.

What worries me is what's going to happen when the dollar crashes and these protesters really have something to be mad about?

Yes, because they have no real reason to be mad now right? Hey people of Ferguson, just shut up and listen to your cops and everything will be okay right?

When something like this happens at some other ranch in Idaho, there will be people saying hey where is the support of the black community? Then when something like this happens in Georgia, there will be people saying hey where is the support of the white community?

And the whole time, both groups will be fighting against the same enemy. boggles the mind....

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Militarization of police is the very cause of this incident to begin with....#facepalm

 

[bunklocoempire]

*SNIP*

"Your job is to be prepared, not to side with any of them. This is their nightmare. Let them live it alone. Let Ferguson burn. Don’t fill in the gaps for them. Don’t side with criminals or militarized police. Let it all collapse, you have no friends in the fight."

WTF?

That is cop talk. No thank you. Man it peeves me when people tell me what my job is. Why not just tell me what my life entails while you're at it?

Being prepared is part of my job. There is a high road, and it is reached by giving directions to it and welcoming people to it.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I see it a lot on these forums. You're expected to take a side. Happens a lot in RPF foreign policy debates. Either you agree with U.S. foreign policy, or you should agree with (insert petty 3rd world dictator). You aren't allowed to say both suck.

So here we are. Either we must be cop-bootlickers, or support looters. We can't say both suck.

If this was the LA riots, I'd be loading up a shotgun and standing guard on the rooftops of grocery stores with the Koreans. They didn't suck. But I'm not gonna pick a side between robocops and looters.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I see it a lot on these forums. You're expected to take a side. Happens a lot in RPF foreign policy debates. Either you agree with U.S. foreign policy, or you should agree with (insert petty 3rd world dictator). You aren't allowed to say both suck.

So here we are. Either we must be cop-bootlickers, or support looters. We can't say both suck.

If this was the LA riots, I'd be loading up a shotgun and standing guard on the rooftops of grocery stores with the Koreans. They didn't suck. But I'm not gonna pick a side between robocops and looters.

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