The Police State Vs. Occupy Wall Street: This Is Not Going To End Well For Any Of Us

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The Police State Vs. Occupy Wall Street: This Is Not Going To End Well For Any Of Us

The Economic Collapse
Thursday, November 17, 2011

Right now, we are watching the early rounds of a heavyweight fight between two extremely determined opponents. Occupy Wall Street has no plans of losing this fight and neither do law enforcement authorities. Perhaps those running the show actually believed that raiding Zuccotti Park and more than a dozen other “Occupy camps” around the nation would end these protests, but that is just not going to happen.

Whatever your opinion of Occupy Wall Street is, everyone should be able to agree that this is one dedicated bunch. They are absolutely obsessed with their cause and in response to the recent raid on Zuccotti Park organizers are calling for “a national day of direct action” on Thursday. But if Occupy Wall Street protesters want to take things to “the next level”, they should not underestimate the resolve of the police state. Over the past decade, the homeland security apparatus of the federal government has been slowly but surely turning this country into a “Big Brother” police state. Today, our law enforcement authorities are obsessed with watching us, listening to us, tracking us, recording us, and gathering information on all of us. We are constantly reminded that we live in a prison grid (just think about what they do to you before you are allowed on an airplane) and they are not about to put up with anyone challenging their authority or their control. Have you even known parents that constantly feel the need to prove that they are “the boss” of their children? Well, that is essentially what the homeland security apparatus in this country has become. All over the United States, law enforcement personnel are taught that every American is a potential terrorist and they are actually trained to “act tough”, to bark orders at us and to not let anyone question their authority. If Occupy Wall Street believes that it can get the police state to “back down”, they are sorely mistaken. Hopefully everyone will cool off a bit as the temperatures go down this winter. But if we do see a “cooling off”, it probably will not last for long. As the U.S. economy continues to get worse, these kinds of protests are going to keep growing and they will become even more intense. Eventually, mass civil unrest will cause the streets of many of our major cities to closely resemble war zones. When it is all said and done, this is not going to end well for any of us.

The stunning police raid of Zuccotti Park at 1 AM on Tuesday morning made headlines around the world. Protesters were hauled off, tents were cut down and garbage trucks hauled off the personal possessions of those that had been encamped there. It was swift and it was brutal.

But it was just another in a long line of raids that we have seen over the past couple of weeks. Occupy camps in Portland, Oakland, Chicago, San Francisco, Dallas, Atlanta and several other cities have also been raided.

There is an increasing body of evidence that these raids have been coordinated. For example, Oakland Mayor Jean Quan recently made the following statement during a recent interview about the Occupy movement….

I was recently on a conference call with 18 cities across the country who had the same situation

Does anyone want to guess who was running that conference call?

Heidi Bogosian, the executive director of the National Lawyers Guild, is convinced that the recent raids were coordinated at the federal level….

“We definitely feel, especially in a movement like this that has arisen so quickly in a number of cities, that there will be a coordinated national effort to try and shut it down”

Someone probably thought that cracking a few skulls and cutting up a few tents would probably make the hippies go away.

Yes, that might have worked in 1991.

But this is 2011. Whether you agree with Occupy Wall Street or not, one thing that should be clear to all of us is that these boys and girls are deadly serious.

In response to the recent raids, organizers have declared “a national day of direct action” on Thursday.

One of the “major actions” being planned is a “shut down” of Wall Street.

Of course that will not happen because thousands of law enforcement personnel will be dispatched to protect Wall Street if necessary.

But what does seem clear is that Occupy Wall Street seems determined to take things to the next level.

In this video, a wild-eyed protester can be seen making the following statement….

“On the 17th, we gonna burn this city to the ************* ground.”

Later on in the video, the same protester makes an even more inflammatory statement….

“No more talking. They’ve got guns, we’ve got bottles. They’ve got bricks, we’ve got rocks…in a few days you’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s.”

That is a very frightening statement.

As I noted the other day, one recent survey found that 31 percent of all Occupy Wall Street protesters “would support violence to advance their agenda”.

Let us hope that cooler heads prevail and that we don’t see outbreaks of violence.

If we do see violence in the coming days, it will just give law enforcement authorities an excuse to crack down even harder.

Up to this point, local law enforcement authorities have been advised to seek “legal reasons” for evicting Occupy protesters.

Since just about everything is illegal in America today, that has not been too difficult. So far “zoning laws”, “curfew rules” and regulations that target homeless people have been used as justifications to evict Occupy protesters.

In New York City, Mayor Bloomberg has said that protesters can gather in Zuccotti Park, but that “the rules” do not allow them to have tents, sleeping bags or any sort of heavy equipment.

So will the protesters go along with this, or will this turn into a prolonged struggle over Zuccotti Park?

It is hard to say, but one thing is for sure – police all over the nation have already shown that they are prepared to use brutal force against these protesters in order to get their way.

We have seen tear gas used, we have seen pepper spray cannons used, we have seen rubber bullets used and we have seen flash-bang stun grenades used.

And they are just warming up. When it comes to protecting “national security”, there is a vast array of technologies and weapons that law enforcement authorities have at their disposal.

Many Americans are cheering the crackdown on these protesters, but we all should remember that real people are getting seriously injured. For example, just check out this photo of 84-year-old Dorli Rainey after pepper spray was blasted directly into her face.

Rainey and several other Occupy Seattle protesters are still in the hospital.

Ready for another example?

You can see video of a female Occupy Cal protester being brutally yanked by her hair right here.

How would you feel if that was you?

We all need to realize that these confrontations are not just a bunch of “fun and games”.

A lot of people have been sent to the hospital already, and this is just the beginning.

One of the key things that the American people will need to understand is that they don’t have to pick sides.

When law enforcement authorities commit atrocities, we should denounce them.

When Occupy Wall Street protesters commit acts of violence or vandalism, we should denounce them.

It would be nice if all Occupy Wall Street protests would be 100% non-violent.

It would be nice if the police would be reasonable and would carry out their duties with gentleness and respect.

But sadly, those things are probably not going to happen.

The civil unrest we are seeing now is only the beginning.

Things are going to get a lot worse.

If things keep getting escalated to “the next level”, eventually we will see martial law imposed in some of our largest cities.

Don’t think that it can’t happen.

The United States is increasingly becoming a very unstable place.

As America comes apart at the seams, this is not going to end well for any of us.


http://www.infowars.com/the-police-...-this-is-not-going-to-end-well-for-any-of-us/
 
Alex Jones on Homeland Security infiltrating OWS

RT
Thursday, November 17, 2011

The Occupy Wall Street movement has been under fire in the past week. Police in riot gear have raided camps from coast to coast.

And again videos and photos have surfaced of the police brutality that has been taking place towards the non-violent protester.

Some reports say the Department of Homeland Security is spying on the occupiers and have been sending the homeless and criminals to demonize the movement. Alex Jones, radio host of The Alex Jones Show, helps us understand who is really behind the crackdowns.






http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-on-homeland-security-infiltrating-ows/
 
You all know my loyalties, and where I stand with Occupy Wall Street. We are very, very determined. I wish I had more time and effort to advance the ideas and defend/support the positions on here.

Do not listen to the media about what this stands for... do not listen to the talking heads, go visit these people in person, and ask them your questions, and engage with them.


The actions ongoing right now in New York are exactly what we have all described what a Police State would start to look like...
The police are blocking the sidewalk, requesting corporate/business ID cards to access public roadways and transportation. They are arresting protesters for just being there.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18573661
 
This is just the beginning. There is another MAJOR economic crash just around the corner. With people in the street already, the bonfire is laid and the tinder is in place. Hold on to your hats, ladies and gentlemen.
 
wow. This is crazy. I don't know if this is true but this morning I was watching fox & friends at work and someone on tv said soon they were going to begin occupying the subway system and the stock exchange. This could get bad fast.
 
OWS as a whole, is going to destroy the global economy, and they don't even care. For being a movement that cares about all individuals, they sure don't care about the possible repercussions.

They just want to "spread democracy," yet many don't even know what that means. Their core message and beliefs are good, but the many absurdities they shout are detrimental to us all. Ron Paul and his supporters offer them what they want, and they're to wrapped up in their pride to notice it.
 
OWS as a whole, is going to destroy the global economy, and they don't even care..

I hope so. The global economy is a lie as it is anyway. What do you think re-introducing the gold standard would do? It'd destroy the world economy as the largest currency contraction in history took place. It could quite easily lead to foreign nations dumping their dollar reserve holdings as they become worthless as the dollar assume sits real worth and not its fiat worth. Personal incomes would drop like a rock from the Eiffel Tower as the less money in the system meant less could be paid out.

But you know what? it'd be worth it. After the correction took place, prices would drop and the national and world economy would get back on a sure footing as the dollar came to a stable legitimate worth. In the long run you and your children would have less dollar bills, but each bill would be worth much more and having more buying power. The government couldn't afford international illegal wars and expansive policing powers. They would literally not have enough money. You would be freer. Everyone would be better off.

So I say let it come. Destroy the world economy. It has to happen. We just have to be sure we are in a place to pick up the pieces.
 
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When are you folks going to realize that it's a bad idea for us to identify with these people?
 
When are you folks going to realize that it's a bad idea for us to identify with these people?

It's the mob mentality. People are seduced by this big group and feeling like they're apart of something large that they'll support them no matter what they're up to.
 
Damn! I wish this thing had just died. Why does it have to turn out like this? Why do people have to be "loyal" to this movement? Why continue this silly plea to "meet them in person" when we already know what we're going to get, most likely?

Sure, go talk to someone one-on-one if you really want to, but stay the hell out of the protest! This is madness.
 
Yes, the "police state". If I can't bring hundreds of my friends and occupy a private park for free for months while taking dumps on police cars and continuosly wake people up at night with my bongos while trashing the inside of local business's then indeed America is dead.
 
What do you mean, "these people?" Whose a collectivist?

Uh huh. I think I've made my point.

You think people are out protesting because they are happy?
These people are all pissed,, for many reasons. Many have NO CLUE why or how to fix it.

A few actually do have a clue. Others are trying to prevent that message from being heard or addressed.

Which one are you?
Have you watched those Videos?
 
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What do you mean, "these people?" Whose a collectivist?

Uh huh. I think I've made my point.


Don't be an ass. Just because rights come to individuals doesn't mean collective statements don't have worth either. In fact living in anything but an anarchist utopia means collectivist thought has to be applicable on some level. After all a government of any kind, including the original constitutional one envisioned by the Founders and Championed by Ron Paul, is a collectivist undertaking as it is founded by "WE THE PEOPLE" not "You The Person." Any powers the government has results from a collectivist agreement by the governed to delegate those powers to said government. So guess what jack-off? You live in America and want constitutional guarantees that protect your freedoms? Then you're a collectivist too.
 
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Yes, the "police state". If I can't bring hundreds of my friends and occupy a private park for free for months while taking dumps on police cars and continuously wake people up at night with my bongos while trashing the inside of local business's then indeed America is dead.

Actually Zuccotti Park is a "privately-owned public space". NYC essentially gave the builders "incentives" (read real estate deals and tax breaks) to use their funds to build public areas. As a public area, it doesn't fall under private property rights protections even though it is owned privately, since all public land laws are applicable to it. This includes the right to gather and protest.

America doesn't suffer by protecting the rights of protestors, even when protesting in an unsightly way for stupid causes. But America does suffer when armed force is used to abridge those rights. It sets a precedent not just for armed force to break up the less stupid protests, but the more important ones as well.
 
It is no sense arguing with these anti-OWS people on here. They are to caught up in their own pride and sense of self worth than to have sympathy for the uninformed, uneducated and unrepresented masses. Ron Paul supports them, that is all that matters at this point. I say, onward with the destruction, it's been a long time comin'....
 
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It's a set up. This is going to be their excuse for Martial law. That is why the "establishment" has supported OWS all along.

They picked Nov 17 to up the violence because it's a communist "holiday" :
Two Germans, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1848. Although it did not receive much acclaim in Germany, a young man named Vladimir Ilyich Lenin embraced the Russian translation in 1882. Based on his study of the Manifesto, Lenin formed the Marxist Bolshevik Party in 1903. His commitment to the Marxist theory and his ideological zeal enabled him to lead the revolution of Russia on November 17, 1917.
 
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