The Great Depression, I'd like to know more

ClayTrainor

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To be honest, I know nothign about the Great Depression. I barely even remember it being brought up when i was in School, and I really have no idea on how it happened, or what caused it.


I hear some people say that "The New Deal" Got us out of the great depression, but then i hear some people like peter schiff say, We got out of the great depression IN SPITE of the New Deal.


What does this mean? Who is at fault for the great depression? Why did it happen, and what pulled us out of it?
 
You caused the depression.

No on a serious note, many things are to blame for the cause of the depression. The main reason is fractional reserve banking being cartelized by the federal reserve. Time elapsed is the best cause of getting out of the depression and FDR's new deal extended the length of the depression.

-----Forsmant
 
How did they get us out? I thought they were bombing our shit. I think you are referring to Britain and France.
 
I'm not a guru on the depression but I think I can help you out.

The creation of the Federal Reserve allowed "paper reserves" to be used besides the gold standard, this certainly had a big effect on causing the Great Depression.
Here is an excerpt from Greenspan's 1966 essay:
http://www.321gold.com/fed/greenspan/1966.html
"Technically, we remained on the gold standard; individuals were still free to own gold, and gold continued to be used as bank reserves. But now, in addition to gold, credit extended by the Federal Reserve banks ("paper reserves") could serve as legal tender to pay depositors.

When business in the United States underwent a mild contraction in 1927, the Federal Reserve created more paper reserves in the hope of forestalling any possible bank reserve shortage. More disastrous, however, was the Federal Reserve's attempt to assist Great Britain who had been losing gold to us because the Bank of England refused to allow interest rates to rise when market forces dictated (it was politically unpalatable). The reasoning of the authorities involved was as follows: if the Federal Reserve pumped excessive paper reserves into American banks, interest rates in the United States would fall to a level comparable with those in Great Britain; this would act to stop Britain's gold loss and avoid the political embarrassment of having to raise interest rates. The "Fed" succeeded; it stopped the gold loss, but it nearly destroyed the economies of the world, in the process. The excess credit which the Fed pumped into the economy spilled over into the stock market-triggering a fantastic speculative boom. Belatedly, Federal Reserve officials attempted to sop up the excess reserves and finally succeeded in braking the boom. But it was too late: by 1929 the speculative imbalances had become so overwhelming that the attempt precipitated a sharp retrenching and a consequent demoralizing of business confidence. As a result, the American economy collapsed. Great Britain fared even worse, and rather than absorb the full consequences of her previous folly, she abandoned the gold standard completely in 1931, tearing asunder what remained of the fabric of confidence and inducing a world-wide series of bank failures. The world economies plunged into the Great Depression of the 1930's."

The irony is that the Fed, which caused the depression, is widely considered to have had the power to end the depression (view of Milton Friedman and Bernanke), but did not step up to the plate.

You can also watch for free this PBS documentary showing the crash of 1929:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/crash/program/index.html
You can see with little doubt that the stock market crash was manipulated by the rich and powerful, who were able to profit by the expansion and contraction of the value of stock. 80 years later the hearts of man have not changed, but the Federal Reserve, which is not a government agency but a private banking cartel, has the same power, only now the value of the paper they are manipulating is not stock but the dollar.

Also this free mini ebook pdf (16 pages) was recommended to me:
"Great Myths of the Great Depression"
http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=4013
I haven't read it yet but it's supposed to look at the Great Depression through the eyes of those who understand the free market (if anyone here has read it, feel free to give your thoughts).

Hope that was useful.
 
There's no need to read a book. You're getting a first hand view now and you'll be living through it the next few years. :p
 
To be honest, I know nothign about the Great Depression. I barely even remember it being brought up when i was in School, and I really have no idea on how it happened, or what caused it.


I hear some people say that "The New Deal" Got us out of the great depression, but then i hear some people like peter schiff say, We got out of the great depression IN SPITE of the New Deal.


What does this mean? Who is at fault for the great depression? Why did it happen, and what pulled us out of it?

The great depression happened because they hadn't invented Prozac or Zoloft or any of the other SSRI's yet... all they had was alcohol (which is a depressant, see... and when prohibition ended in 1933 people just starting drinking too much and got all depressed about stuff).
:D





Seriously, Murray Rothbard wrote a book that explains the whole thing. You can download a PDF of it for free.

So... what are you waiting for... go download it and read it. No one is going to be able to spoon-feed you an "executive summary" version that will have much merit.

Your other choice is to just wait and watch... Ben Bernanke and Hank Paulson & the gang are staging a new version of it in front of our eyes (though I don't know if this one will have the same type of songs accompanying it like the last one did -- I think that was the musical version whereas Ben, Hank and of course Obama standing in for FDR seem to be planning a much "gritter" and more dramatic rendition, staging it as a "Live for TV" event... and soon in HD! Stay tuned for more exciting and horrifying eposides...)
 
Also this free mini ebook pdf (16 pages) was recommended to me:
"Great Myths of the Great Depression"
http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=4013
I haven't read it yet but it's supposed to look at the Great Depression through the eyes of those who understand the free market (if anyone here has read it, feel free to give your thoughts).

Hope that was useful.

That is an EXCELLENT find.

I read it years ago in paper form... didn't know it was available online!

(BTW the problem with Rothbard's book is that he stops in 1933. He covers the causes of the depression, and all of Hoover's mistakes, but then never really does what is needed -- the analysis of FDR's failed policies {I think he felt that since FDR was just Herbert Hoover on steroids there was no need for a separate critique.})
 
"When goods don’t cross frontiers, armies will,"

Very interesting with what is happening now.
 
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