The Daily Show attacks Judge Napolitano on Lincoln and Civil War

Jon Stewart is Very, Very Afraid
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Tom DiLorenzo (25 February 2014)

Of us, apparently. Several emailers have written to inform me that Stewart did a hit/smear job on Judge Napolitano on “The Daily Show” last night. The “hit” was apparently about how the Judge wrote in one of his publications (or said on his former television show) that the U.S. probably could have ended slavery the same way that New York, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and all the other Northern states did, as well as the British empire, Spanish empire, the French, Danes, Dutch, Swedes, and others during the nineteenth century, namely, peacefully. (See Jim Powell, Greatest Emancipations: How the West Ended Slavery; and Joanne Pope Melish, Disowning Slavery: Gradual Emancipation and Race in New England, 1780-1860). No, no, said Stewart and pals, 750,000 dead Americans , more than double that number maimed for life, and the total destruction of the voluntary union of the founders was the only way to go. Southerners, six percent of whom owned slaves (See Thomas Fleming, A Disease in the Public Mind: A New Understanding of Why We Fought the Civil War), “were willing to die to preserve slavery” announced the renowned historian Jon Stewart. The Great Oz (er, I mean, The Great Abe) did what was necessary said the great historical sage and his cast of clowns.

Stewart and his clownish cast apparently even brought up the subject of tariffs, denying that they had anything to do with the war. That would be shocking news to The Great Abe who, in his first inaugural address, announced that it was his duty to “collect the duties and imposts” and “beyond that there will be no invasion of any state.” Translation: Any seceding state that did NOT send tariff revenue money to Washington, D.C., which of course included all of the seceded states, would be invaded. “Invasion” and “bloodshed” are the words The Great Abe used in his first inaugural address to describe what would happen to any state that failed to send tariff revenue to D.C. And of course in the same speech The Great Abe also pledged his support for the Corwin Amendment to the Constitution that would have prohibited the federal government from EVER interfering with Southern slavery. In fact, the Corwin Amendment was his idea, as documented by the high priestess of the Lincoln cult, Doris Kearns-Goodwin, in her book, Team of Rivals.

Stewart, whose “comedy” specialty is facial contortions, also mocked the idea of “some libertarians” (probably thinking of Ron Paul, who once mentioned the concept on television) who advocated buying the slaves with tax dollars and then freeing them. This of course is exactly how the British ended slavery in the British empire without bloodshed but Stewart and a clownish sidekick poo pooed the idea in an orgy of facial contortions and eye rolling.

It would not surprise me to learn that this very atypical type of “Daily Show” was instigated by the Obama administration. After all, in recent months they have proposed putting government agents/censors in all television and newspaper news rooms; and it is very likely that they pressured NBC to dump Jay Leno in favor of a more administration-friendly host. No one has been a more effective critic of the administration’s spying and overall dictatorial behavior than Judge Napolitano which would make him a top target of the Saul Alinsky “Rules for Radicals” crowd, of which King Obama is the chief practitioner.
 
That's an incorrect strawman. Napolitano NEVER SAID the North was willing to kill to end slavery. He explicitly said it was the South that was irrational enough to kill to defend it.

Maybe this guy's problem was that he had govt history class (taught by the "winners" of the Civil war), instead of a multi-national, objective history taught from primary sources.

And I doubt that Napolitano would accept the title "Confederate apologist."

I think the rational view is that:
  • Lincoln cared more about Federal Unity than anything else (slavery, tariffs, the lives of peons etc.).
  • The South didn't want to pay a tariff that was based on industry located in the South and primarily relied on chattel slavery for labor.
  • The North didn't take any steps, pre-civil-war, to act as a refuge for slaves looking to escape the South.
  • Almost every other Western Hemisphere nation ended legal chattel slavery without war
  • There is question over who "fired the first shot" - but Lincoln is on record threatening the South with bloodshed if they refused to pay the tariff.

Simply pointing out that the North and Lincoln had faults doesn't mean that they are apologizing, defending, or favoring the Confederacy.

Trying to lay out a scenario whereby slavery could've ended without war doesn't mean you support slavery.

I hope Stewart has Napolitano back on the show to discuss this topic, I trust that the Judge has enough eloquence to distinguish the peaceful abolitionist/peaceful secessionist position from the Confederate/pro-slavery position.

I'm not sure he could. He didn't fare very well when he had a discussion with Stewart about the role of government.

Tom Woods would be far better, but Stewart would never have him on as a live, in-studio guest.
 
The message was clear: libertarians love slavery, and by default, are also racist. That means you. Is that comedy?
Yep, pure propaganda from the court jester. The comedian can bypass people's critical thinking because their defenses are down.
 
The obvious solution to this is to have another secession without slavery. The union will still be as blood thirsty when push comes to shove.
 
The obvious solution to this is to have another secession without slavery. The union will still be as blood thirsty when push comes to shove.
Texas is a prime example.

Don't you goddamn dare try to keep your money.

The liberators will come.


ETA: Clarification for those passing through.
 
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I never thought that Jon Stewart was an ally in any way.

I still don't, for obvious reasons.

As usual, the build the strawman and hack him to bits with supposed humor, but it's really propaganda piped straight from Washington.
 
I'm curious, if Stewart were around in 1850, would he endorse and support the abolitionist candidates who got 1% of the vote, or would he ignore them 99% of the time and mock them as ignorant out of touch extremist jokes not to be taken seriously the 1% percent of the time he talks about them?
 
Exchange between my handler Wallace J Hilliard and poster Tony over at EPJ:

Wally:
Why do libertarians always soft-peddle their principles? Ron Paul would always bring up compensation of the slave owners when they'd go after him for not worshiping Lincoln and his mass murder.

I recall Spooner writing that the slave owners should be horse whipped in proportion to the whippings that they doled out. Who are the Judge and Ron pandering to when they mention compensating the slave holders rather than the slaves? Its like they have this involuntary conservative tic that they can't control even though they know better.

Tony:
I can't be sure, but my guess is that Napolitano and Paul's point are that by compensating the slave owners, slavery could have been abolished without having to resort to mass murder, massive destruction of poverty and the wholesale violation of constitutional rights by Lincoln during the civil war.
It is not that compensating slave owners would be the principled thing to do, but that the only other alternative would have been even worse. Libertarians, when FORCED to make a choice, tend to make the most peaceful, most non-destructive choice.

After all, the prospect of horsewhipping slave owners is not exactly going to make them very willing to avoid an attempt at secession OR fighting a bloody, destructive war, is it?

But i could be wrong about their reasoning.

Wally:
Tony, you are correct that is exactly what Nap and Ron are saying.

But why say that? Their libertarian heads understand--they've probably both read Spooner. But their conservative instincts take over and instead of talking about all of the good things the libertarians of the 1850s were doing to abolish slavery (fighting slavery's constitutionality in the courts, jury nullification, the underground railroad, criticism of Illinois Republican-style whites only laws, etc.) they bring up compensation of the slave owners as though they are negotiating right now against the status quo and don't want to come off as too radical. But Spooner and the libertarians of the 1850s didn't worry about that!

I love the Judge and Ron, but I also recognize their limitations--foremost among them being their inability to fully extricate themselves from their conservative ideological upbringings and the lifetime effects of state mind control systems.

The sad thing is that if they could break through their limitations and give hard core answers to all of this racist stuff, it could catapult the Love-o-lution giant steps forward. But as it is, the state propaganda machine further is consigning the love-o-lution to the Hate-triot scrap head along with Goldwater, Reagan, and the Contract with American.

Can you imagine if during the 2008 and 2012 campaigns Ron Paul had responded to the constant racist newsletter accusations by sneaking out of wherever Jesse Benton had him locked away and conducted his entire campaign in front of America's court houses leafleting prospective jurors and preaching about how American juries were nullifying the fugitive slave acts and how today American juries can nullify the racist drug war and all other modern forms of government enforced slavery?

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/02/hit-job-jon-stewart-attacks-judge.html
 
Jon Stewart is Very, Very Afraid
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/jon-stewart-is-very-very-afraid/
Tom DiLorenzo (25 February 2014)

Of us, apparently. Several emailers have written to inform me that Stewart did a hit/smear job on Judge Napolitano on “The Daily Show” last night. The “hit” was apparently about how the Judge wrote in one of his publications (or said on his former television show) that the U.S. probably could have ended slavery the same way that New York, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and all the other Northern states did, as well as the British empire, Spanish empire, the French, Danes, Dutch, Swedes, and others during the nineteenth century, namely, peacefully. (See Jim Powell, Greatest Emancipations: How the West Ended Slavery; and Joanne Pope Melish, Disowning Slavery: Gradual Emancipation and Race in New England, 1780-1860). No, no, said Stewart and pals, 750,000 dead Americans , more than double that number maimed for life, and the total destruction of the voluntary union of the founders was the only way to go. Southerners, six percent of whom owned slaves (See Thomas Fleming, A Disease in the Public Mind: A New Understanding of Why We Fought the Civil War), “were willing to die to preserve slavery” announced the renowned historian Jon Stewart. The Great Oz (er, I mean, The Great Abe) did what was necessary said the great historical sage and his cast of clowns.

Stewart and his clownish cast apparently even brought up the subject of tariffs, denying that they had anything to do with the war. That would be shocking news to The Great Abe who, in his first inaugural address, announced that it was his duty to “collect the duties and imposts” and “beyond that there will be no invasion of any state.” Translation: Any seceding state that did NOT send tariff revenue money to Washington, D.C., which of course included all of the seceded states, would be invaded. “Invasion” and “bloodshed” are the words The Great Abe used in his first inaugural address to describe what would happen to any state that failed to send tariff revenue to D.C. And of course in the same speech The Great Abe also pledged his support for the Corwin Amendment to the Constitution that would have prohibited the federal government from EVER interfering with Southern slavery. In fact, the Corwin Amendment was his idea, as documented by the high priestess of the Lincoln cult, Doris Kearns-Goodwin, in her book, Team of Rivals.

Stewart, whose “comedy” specialty is facial contortions, also mocked the idea of “some libertarians” (probably thinking of Ron Paul, who once mentioned the concept on television) who advocated buying the slaves with tax dollars and then freeing them. This of course is exactly how the British ended slavery in the British empire without bloodshed but Stewart and a clownish sidekick poo pooed the idea in an orgy of facial contortions and eye rolling.

It would not surprise me to learn that this very atypical type of “Daily Show” was instigated by the Obama administration. After all, in recent months they have proposed putting government agents/censors in all television and newspaper news rooms; and it is very likely that they pressured NBC to dump Jay Leno in favor of a more administration-friendly host. No one has been a more effective critic of the administration’s spying and overall dictatorial behavior than Judge Napolitano which would make him a top target of the Saul Alinsky “Rules for Radicals” crowd, of which King Obama is the chief practitioner.

It's good that this debate is being had. Even if its debut is in a comedic venue.
 
A thing that they disagree with us on is where rights come from. They think rights come from a majority's decree and that government is used to enforce them. This is a fundamental difference. An insurmountable one. Sure, he may make jokes about why marijuana should be legalized (and taxed) but truth be told, he hasn't a clue of what freedom means. He is a collectivist. He is a legal positivist. It is why they admire Lincoln as they do. Lincoln epitomizes what they stand for. They are tyrants by any other name.

And Jon Stewart poisons the well, inculcating the most unread of society in his white washed version of "justice." He is a jester. A government appreciated whore. I used to watch him back when 95% of his show was tolerable, now it's episode after episode of garbage-- Political pandering and outright propaganda.

He couldn't hold Andrew Napolitano's note cards in a debate. And that's a fact.

Napolitano is actually a pretty weak debater.
 
Napolitano is actually a pretty weak debater.
The truth cannot be argued with.

I'm going to check out the clip of him on TDS. From what I remember he did a good job. I think he's been on there more than once so I'm not sure if I'm thinking of a different appearance.

In any case, Jon Stewart is a tool. The hatchet jobs he promotes say all that need to be said. He wouldn't chop and screw their interviews if he had any semblance of an intelligent argument. His appeal is only to emotion. He panders to the lowest of the low with cheap insinuations and outright lies. The man is a jester.

I could hardly imagine a scenario where Napolitano would have issues with discussing or debating any of a myriad of political topics. But I guess it's happened so I don't know.
 
I'm curious, if Stewart were around in 1850, would he endorse and support the abolitionist candidates who got 1% of the vote, or would he ignore them 99% of the time and mock them as ignorant out of touch extremist jokes not to be taken seriously the 1% percent of the time he talks about them?

And putting it at 1850 is being generous. Even less of a chance he'd be against it in 1750.
 
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