The Ayn Rand Institute vs. Ron Paul

[MarkoH]

The so called “Ayn Rand Institute” opposes Ron Paul, for spurious reasons. See

The Ayn Rand Institute vs. Ron Paul

It quotes Yaron Brook, who heads ARI, saying that Ron Paul is an anarchist and un-American, if you can believe it.

 

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

Well than in that case fuck the Ayn Rand Institute.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

“Ron Paul, for a variety of reasons, partially because I think he is very inarticulate but also because I think that his pro-free market agenda is driven by a fundamental hatred of government, not a love of individual rights, so it’s driven by a negative, this anarchistic libertarian – not all libertarians are like this but some do and Ron Paul I think certainly does – dislike of government, any kind of government.”

Rights come from government.

Is it any wonder people hold the ARI in low regard, holy crap.

 

[ShaneEnochs]

Well than in that case fuck the Ayn Rand Institute.

Indeed

 

[emazur]

Yaron Brooke has chilled out a bit since then - he had some good things to say about Ron Paul in his lecture to The Citadel (don't remember where they talked about him):


But yeah, ARI's hawkish stance on war, extreme dislike of Muslims, and blinding support for Israel are big problems

 

[ProIndividual]

Randians have always been statists and warmongers. Ayn Rand herself hated libertarians and market anarchists like Rothbard (and other Austrian economics folks). We simply want too little of a minarchy or no minarchy at all, while they want a minarchy large enough to be barely a minarchy at all. Screw Randians, and Yaron that speech impediment-having "wu-ser".

If you can't pronounce your "r's" and you have gray hair, you aren't prioritizing correctly. Go to speech class and quit being a warmonger, Yaron. Rights don't come from government, you dipshit.

Objectivists are just smaller government neocons.

 

[Travlyr]

That's weird. Ron Paul is not an anarchist. Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist ... a very strict Constitutionalist.

Randians have always been statists and warmongers. Ayn Rand herself hated libertarians and market anarchists like Rothbard (and other Austrian economics folks). We simply want too little of a minarchy or no minarchy at all, while they want a minarchy large enough to be barely a minarchy at all. Screw Randians, and Yaron that speech impediment-having "wu-ser".

If you can't pronounce your "r's" and you have gray hair, you aren't prioritizing correctly. Go to speech class and quit being a warmonger, Yaron. Rights don't come from government, you dipshit.

Objectivists are just smaller government neocons.

So are you misquoting me in your signature to make others think I that misquoted Rothbard?

"You guys have been lying to your recruits for years. Rothbard advocates for minimal government..." - Travlyr

That's dishonest. An honest person would include the whole quote. Rothbard said it. I just quoted him.

 

[Occam's Banana]

“Ron Paul, for a variety of reasons, partially because I think he is very inarticulate but also because I think that his pro-free market agenda is driven by a fundamental hatred of government, not a love of individual rights, so it’s driven by a negative, this anarchistic libertarian – not all libertarians are like this but some do and Ron Paul I think certainly does – dislike of government, any kind of government.”

Jeebus! Who is "very inarticulate" ??? Talk about dwellers in glass houses throwing stones !!!

EDIT: Jeebus!

 

[Liberty74]

That's weird. Ron Paul is not an anarchist. Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist ... a very strict Constitutionalist.

Exactly. If one wants a bigger federal government and the people demand it (not the corrupt politicians), then there is a Constitutional process to follow. All other laws and regulations fall to the state and local governments. But in general, Paul is ant-government (not an anarchist per say) because government is force. Force is violence. Why does Brooke support violence???

 

[thoughtomator]

Objectivism is the doctrine of the lazy individualist pseudo-intellectual who can't tell the difference between works of fiction and the real world.

 

[MarkoH]

thoughtomator,

The so-called "Ayn Rand Institute" was created after Rand's death and ideologically has little to do with her ideas. Ron Paul would be even better if he were more philosophically Objectivist -- as opposed to like ARI.

emazur,

Yaron Brook's Citadel talk was given before the second Mallory Factor interview.

Did you listen to the whole video? Sure, at the beginning he says
"the candidacy of Ron Paul ... has really shaken things up a little bit and forced other candidates to deal with certain economic issues ..."
contradicting what he says in venues preceding and following his Citadel talk. Later in the Citadel talk he smears Paul as a "pacifist."

He adapts his speech to his audience. The man cannot be trusted.

ProIndividual wrote:

"If you can't pronounce your R's and you have gray hair, you aren't prioritizing correctly."

That's ridiculous. 'ProIndividual' might as well be an agent provocateur.

Mark
ARI Watch

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I watched Yaron Brook debate a socialist one time. I could have sworn he sounded like an anarchist himself.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Jeebus! Who is "very inarticulate" ??? Talk about dwellers in glass houses throwing stones !!!

EDIT: Jeebus!

Yeah, no kidding. The guy trashes Ron when Brooks just can't speak the English language... while being the main figure head of an organization? Yeesh.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I watched Yaron Brook debate a socialist one time. I could have sworn he sounded like an anarchist himself.

I'm pretty sure I watched that debate as well. He was a lot better than the socialist, obviously. But I don't trust this snake because he is an apologist for disgusting war crimes. He's probably just jealous of how popular Ron Paul is

 

[Victor Grey]

Ah whatever really. I say work with these people where you can and ignore the rest. No skin off my back.

Fundamentalistic Randites seem to be more focused on being "personal anarchists" than state-focused anarchists/minarchists.

Not my bag, man.

As for myself well, I'll stick to mere common cordiality for people who wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire. About it though. I could think of better neighbors to have however, still without them being deep statists.

 

[Badger Paul]

Objectivists are just smaller government neocons.

Which pretty much sums up Paul Ryan...

 

[Occam's Banana]

Objectivists are just smaller government neocons.

Ah, I get it! I've heard Objectivists of the ARI "nuke 'em all" stripe referred to as "neo-libertarians."

I didn't understand what this was supposed to indicate until just now. NEO-conservative, NEO-libertarian ... Derp! Derp!

 

[GuerrillaXXI]

The Randians are basically neocon Zionists who are trying to co-opt the libertarian movement, just as a group of hardcore Zionist Jews co-opted the Republican Party and turned it into the Neocon Party. Their goal is the same as it's always been: to promote US wars for Israel and a general "clash of civilizations" between the West and the Islamic world.

 

[trey4sports]

definitely a smear job....

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Objectivists are just smaller government neocons.

Ayn Rand is in the picture:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/02/01/GR2008020102389.html