The 19 foreign nationals indicted for illegal voting in 2018.

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So a lot is being said about the potentially large number of illegal immigrations who might be registered to vote. However there have already been cases of false psitivies.

See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...en-wrongfully-removed-from-Alabama-voter-list

That got me to thinking how many non-citizens have been indicted or convicted of illegal voting in recent years? So far this is the only stat that I found. A total of 19 foreign nationals were indicted (not sure how many were convicted) in 2018 for voting in the 2016 federal election. So the problem isn't 0, but that's a far cry from the thousands or nearly 1 milion potential illegal voting numbers that are floated. Of course Trump was president in 2016 and Biden is president now so maybe it was a significant problem in 2020 but not in 2016 and the Biden administration is choosing to ignore it. But Trump claimed that there were millions[/b] of illegal votes in 2016 and that's why he lost the popular vote.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-foreign-nationals-indicted-illegally-voting-2016-elections


19 foreign nationals indicted for illegally voting in 2016 elections
WILMINGTON, N.C. – Nineteen foreign nationals were charged with unlawfully voting in the 2016 elections Friday, and a U.S. citizen was charged with aiding and abetting an alien to falsely claim U.S. citizenship to register to vote. The indictments follow an investigation by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) as part of a newly created Document and Benefit Fraud Task Force (DBFTF) in the Eastern District of North Carolina.

A federal grand jury in Wilmington charged the following foreign nationals with falsely claiming U.S. citizenship to register to vote in North Carolina, and also with unlawfully voting. If convicted, these individuals face maximum penalties of six years in federal prison, a $350,000 fine, and a term of supervised release:

Jose Cruz Solano-Rodriguez, age 41, of Mexico;
Guadalupe Espinosa-Pena, age 63, of Mexico;
Sarah Emilia Silverio-Polanco, age 35, of the Dominican Republic;
Elizabeth Nene Amachaghi, age 44, of Nigeria;
Maria Rufina Castillo-Boswell, age 31, of Philippines;
Dora Maybe Damatta-Rodriguez, age 64, of Panama;
Elvis David Fullerton, age 54, of Grenada;
Olive Agatha Martin, age 71, of Guyana;
Kaoru Sauls, age 54, of Japan.
Separately, criminal charges of voting by an alien were filed against the following foreign nationals. If convicted, these individuals face maximum penalties of twelve months in federal prison, a $100,000 fine, and a term of supervised release:

Jose Jaime Ramiro-Torres, age 52, of El Salvador;
Juan Francisco Landeros-Mireles, age 64, of Mexico;
Alessandro Cannizzaro, age 46, of Italy;
Dieudonne Soifils, age 71, of Haiti;
Hyo Suk George, age 69, of Korea;
Merius Jean, age 54, of Haiti;
Rosemarie Angelika Harris, age 60, of Germany; and
Daniel Tadeusz Romanowski, age 39, of Poland.
Separately, criminal charges of fraud and misuse of visas, and unlawfully voting, were filed against Diana Patricia Franco-Rodriguez, age 26, of Mexico. If convicted, Franco-Rodriguez faces maximum penalties of 26 years in federal prison, a $350,000 fine, and a term of supervised release.

Denslo Allen Paige, age 66, is charged with aiding and abetting Espinosa-Pena in falsely claiming U.S. citizenship to register to vote. If convicted, Paige faces a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison, a $250,000 fine, and a term of supervised release.

The charges and allegations contained in the indictments are merely accusations. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

The case is being prosecuted federally by the office of Robert J. Higdon, Jr., United States Attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina.
 
Are these 19 individuals all cases from the Eastern district of NC? Or am I reading this wrong.

If that is the case, the national number is a bit higher, for an estimate you can multiply that by population count, maybe weighed by the amount of foreign nationals or illegal aliens in an area.
 
Trump claimed that there were millions of illegal votes in 2016 and that's why he lost the popular vote.

Well, he didn't say votes by illegals there. This is a good point:

I don't think it's the votes they need so much as the registrations so that they can fabricate ballots.

But I still say...

I think what they want is citizens mad enough to shoot people, and/or scared enough to beg for nationwide stop-and-frisk.
 
Are these 19 individuals all cases from the Eastern district of NC? Or am I reading this wrong.

If that is the case, the national number is a bit higher, for an estimate you can multiply that by population count, maybe weighed by the amount of foreign nationals or illegal aliens in an area.

Good point. This is from the Eastern District. This is the description of that judicial district.

https://www.nced.uscourts.gov/
The mission of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina is to support, defend and preserve the Constitution of the United States by providing an impartial forum for the just resolution of disputes. The clerk's office, as the doorway to the court, continuously strives to provide quality, courteous, and prompt service with a commitment to professionalism, teamwork and efficiency based on our belief that all people have a right to be treated with fairness and dignity. Our motto is "Service to the Public; Support to the Court."

We serve 44 North Carolina counties from Raleigh to the Atlantic coast and are under the United States Federal Court System in which both civil and criminal cases are filed. Court is held in six cities in the District: Elizabeth City, Fayetteville, Greenville, New Bern, Raleigh, and Wilmington.

These stats say 4 in 50 people in North Carolina were "foreign born" in 2021.

https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-immigrants-are-in-the-us/state/north-carolina/

But that would include naturalized citizens.
 
Good point. This is from the Eastern District. This is the description of that judicial district.

https://www.nced.uscourts.gov/
The mission of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina is to support, defend and preserve the Constitution of the United States by providing an impartial forum for the just resolution of disputes. The clerk's office, as the doorway to the court, continuously strives to provide quality, courteous, and prompt service with a commitment to professionalism, teamwork and efficiency based on our belief that all people have a right to be treated with fairness and dignity. Our motto is "Service to the Public; Support to the Court."

We serve 44 North Carolina counties from Raleigh to the Atlantic coast and are under the United States Federal Court System in which both civil and criminal cases are filed. Court is held in six cities in the District: Elizabeth City, Fayetteville, Greenville, New Bern, Raleigh, and Wilmington.

These stats say 4 in 50 people in North Carolina were "foreign born" in 2021.

https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-immigrants-are-in-the-us/state/north-carolina/

But that would include naturalized citizens.

Yeah, but safe to say that nationwide it's more than 19.
 
...A total of 19 foreign nationals were indicted (not sure how many were convicted) in 2018 for voting in the 2016 federal election. So the problem isn't 0, but that's a far cry from the thousands or nearly 1 milion potential illegal voting numbers that are floated. ...

How many people are indicted, or convicted, tells us absolutely nothing about how prevalent the underlying crime is.
 
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If that is the case, the national number is a bit higher, for an estimate you can multiply that by population count, maybe weighed by the amount of foreign nationals or illegal aliens in an area.

Garbage in, garbage out. But that methodology would certainly be fine for govt statistics. Lies, damned lies and govt statistics...
 
How many people are indicted, or convicted, tells us absolutely nothing about how prevalent the underlying crime is.

The problem is >0. NC has something like 10mln population, the whole country 330mln. Idk exactly what the population of the Eastern district exactly is, but it's less than all the population of NC. So country wide there should, when extrapolated be at least 33x the amount of cases, maybe double or triple that... Without factoring in that NC might not be the place that has the most likelihood for voter fraud.

Around this place we actually have statistics on how likely a shoplifter is to get caught. Apparently it's 1:5000.
 
The problem is >0. NC has something like 10mln population, the whole country 330mln. Idk exactly what the population of the Eastern district exactly is, but it's less than all the population of NC. So country wide there should, when extrapolated be at least 33x the amount of cases, maybe double or triple that... Without factoring in that NC might not be the place that has the most likelihood for voter fraud.

Around this place we actually have statistics on how likely a shoplifter is to get caught. Apparently it's 1:5000.

"The problem is >0."

Agree. That is the only fact we know.
 
How many people are indicted, or convicted, tells us absolutely nothing about how prevalent the underlying crime is.

I disagree. The more prevalent a crime is the more likely people are to get caught. That's true for any crime and there's no reason to expect voting by non-citizens to be any different.
 
I disagree. The more prevalent a crime is the more likely people are to get caught. That's true for any crime and there's no reason to expect voting by non-citizens to be any different.

So if, if at all, a law is investigated or enforced has no bearing?

The speed limit is often 65. How many people are ticketed for going over 70 tells me nothing about how many people actually drove over 70mph.
 
The problem is >0. NC has something like 10mln population, the whole country 330mln. Idk exactly what the population of the Eastern district exactly is, but it's less than all the population of NC. So country wide there should, when extrapolated be at least 33x the amount of cases, maybe double or triple that... Without factoring in that NC might not be the place that has the most likelihood for voter fraud.

Okay. 19*33*3 = 1,881. The closest Biden victories in 2020 were Arizona (10,457 votes) and Georgia (12,670 votes). Arizona had a Republican governor from 2015 to 2023 and Georgia still has a Republican governor and Secretary Of State.

Around this place we actually have statistics on how likely a shoplifter is to get caught. Apparently it's 1:5000.

Yeah....nobody really cares about shoplifting as shown by the minor penalties for it.
 
So if, if at all, a law is investigated or enforced has no bearing?

The speed limit is often 65. How many people are ticketed for going over 70 tells me nothing about how many people actually drove over 70mph.

Out of 50 states, many of them Republican states, are you saying that all of these states really treat aliens voting the same as driving 70 in a 65? But cause that's an irrational conclusion. The AG of Alabama came up with thousands of "potential illegal voters" with some of them shown to have actually been born in the U.S. We'll see how many indictments he comes up with. I'm betting closer to 0 than to 3,000.
 
https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1830089631045476464


Hello AF. ^That has nothing to do with the OP even though I'm sure you think it does. That said the "announcement" is that the escorts are for those with asylum appointments.

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-us-immigration-migrants-d101ba44f9a9eb33e2143520bc430b92

And those asylum appointments are to be done in Mexico.

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-us-cbp-one-migrants-asylum-e044003eba42956e9e1f50b2009127fd

Remember Trump's "remain in Mexico" policy which required asylum seekers to apply for asylum in Mexico rather than coming to the U.S.?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/wh...-supreme-court-said-biden-can-end-2022-06-30/

Now you can say "I don't trust Biden / Harris to implement this correctly" and that's fine. But that's got nothing to do with the question of where are all of these "illegal voting" indictments from when Trump was in office? There have been a handful and that's all I can find. If you can find significant numbers of illegal voting indictments please share them.
 
Hello AF. ^That has nothing to do with the OP even though I'm sure you think it does. That said the "announcement" is that the escorts are for those with asylum appointments.

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-us-immigration-migrants-d101ba44f9a9eb33e2143520bc430b92

And those asylum appointments are to be done in Mexico.

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-us-cbp-one-migrants-asylum-e044003eba42956e9e1f50b2009127fd

Remember Trump's "remain in Mexico" policy which required asylum seekers to apply for asylum in Mexico rather than coming to the U.S.?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/wh...-supreme-court-said-biden-can-end-2022-06-30/

You're right, this is a misplaced post.

Belonged in the Invasion USA thread.

If you can find significant numbers of illegal voting indictments please share them.

No, I can not.

The same system allowing the invasion, is the same system in charge of prosecuting illegal voters.

Clearly there would be no incentive for them to do so.
 
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You're right, this is a misplaced post.

Belonged in the Invasion USA thread.



No, I can not.

The same system allowing the invasion, is the same system in charge of prosecuting illegal voters.

Clearly there would be no incentive for them to do so.

Trump nominated 86 federal prosecutors and 84 of them were confirmed. So....you're saying Trump was part of the same system that was allowing the invasion? Or Trump simply couldn't find any prosecutors except in North Carolina (apparently) interested in this? And the North Carolina prosecutor only found 19 cases because....reasons? I mean yeah, I agree with [MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION] that 19 > 0. But 19 <<<<<< 3 million or even 3 thousand. One of Trump's last federal prosecutor appointments is for the Northern District of Alabama and she's still in office. That district includes Huntsville which is currently Alabama's fastest growing city. Certainly there's a large population of non-citizens there for her to investigate. And she's now got that 3,000 "problem voter" list from the Albama A.G. to go from. Let's see how many prosecutions she comes up with. Of course....she had nearly 4 years already to prosecute somebody. Maybe she wasn't as Trumpian as Trump thought she was?

Edit: See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...inated 86 people,in the Department of Justice.

Other incumbent Trump appointed prosecutors include the ones for the Washington D.C., Texas, New Mexico and Virgina. Why aren't these Trump appointees finding at least thousands of these millions of illegal voters?
 
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