Ted Cruz gaining delegates, clout in Louisiana, Wall Street Journal reports

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NOTE: I'm not posting this due to any preference for Cruz over Trump or vice versa. I'm posting this because (I suppose) everyone remembers what happened in Louisiana in 2012 to Ron Paul delegates at the convention. It's happening again.....


Donald Trump defeated Sen. Ted Cruz by 3.6 percentage points this month in Louisiana's Republican presidential primary, but the Wall Street Journal reports that the "Texan may wind up with as many as 10 more delegates from the state than the businessman."

The newspaper reported that Cruz's supporters "also seized five of Louisiana's six slots on the three powerful committees that will write the rules and platform at the Republican National Convention and mediate disputes over delegates' eligibility this summer in Cleveland."


"The little-noticed inside maneuvering that led to this outcome in Louisiana is another dramatic illustration of the inside game that could have an outsize influence on the bitter race for the GOP nomination," the Journal says.


The newspaper says the moves could be crucial if Trump fails to reach the delegate threshold to claim the GOP nomination on the convention's first ballot "because committees dominated by Cruz supporters could work to block him from winning enough delegates to claim the nomination on any subsequent ballots."
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/ted_cruz_gaining_delegates_in.html#incart_email
 
Cruz is on his way to a complete shellacking in every single primary contest to come, and absent some miraculous surge in support for Kasich, Trump will break the delegate threshold and this contested convention crap will either go away or it'll lead to a massive meltdown with riots to boot. Can't say I care, but it might make for good television for those who still watch it. lol
 
Cruz is on his way to a complete shellacking in every single primary contest to come, and absent some miraculous surge in support for Kasich, Trump will break the delegate threshold and this contested convention crap will either go away or it'll lead to a massive meltdown with riots to boot. Can't say I care, but it might make for good television for those who still watch it. lol
In a fair contest, that's exactly what you'd expect. But Republicans don't play fair. I can't say that *I* care because I'm not a Trump supporter, but Ron Paul supporters have seen this before. The GOP is not above stealing for Cruz. How? I don't know. I have no idea how Cruz is getting more delegates than Trump in my state when Trump won the primary either. Strange things happen behind closed doors.
 
. I have no idea how Cruz is getting more delegates than Trump in my state when Trump won the primary either.

WSJ explains --

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ted-cruz-gains-in-louisiana-after-loss-there-to-donald-trump-1458861959

"Kay Kellogg Katz, a Trump supporter who sought unsuccessfully to win a position on a key panel at the convention, summarized the Trump campaign’s predicament this way: “I do not know Mr. Trump, I do not know his staff people. Quite frankly, we don’t have much of a campaign in Louisiana. All we have is voters.”

"In other states, Trump supporters have missed out on the early process of becoming convention delegates because they are relatively inexperienced in the party processes. But in Louisiana, Mr. Trump won broad support among elected officials despite a bare-bones campaign infrastructure. Still, he has lagged behind on delegate selection.

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"The Trump campaign’s first problem is in the overall delegate count from Louisiana. Messrs. Trump and Cruz each won 18 delegates apiece based on the Louisiana results in the primary on March 5. But the five delegates awarded to Florida Sen. Marco Rubio are now free agents because he ended his campaign, and Louisiana Republicans expect them to swing behind Mr. Cruz.

"Meanwhile, the state’s five unbound delegates—who are free to back the candidates of their choice—also are more likely to back Mr. Cruz than Mr. Trump, according to GOP officials in the state.

"The second step in the process is for those delegates to decide who will represent Louisiana on the three important convention committees— rules, credentials and the party platform. To make those choices, most of Louisiana’s delegates gathered at a March 12 state convention to elect two members to each panel.

"No Trump backers won any of those slots. Five of the six committee members chosen back Mr. Cruz, and the sixth is uncommitted to a presidential candidate. Louisiana is the first state to name delegates to serve on the three committees.

"Those panels would become critical in a contested convention, which would take place if no candidate wins a majority of delegates on the first ballot. The rules panel will determine which candidates are eligible to be nominated for president, the platform panel will write the party’s agenda, and the credentials panel will mediate disputes about which delegates can be seated. Such fights are already taking place in the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam, and may happen as well elsewhere.

"Ms. Katz, a former state legislator from Monroe, La., who then-Gov. Bobby Jindal appointed to a state tax commission, sought a position on the credentials committee. She lost a 22-5 vote to Kim Fralick, a Cruz supporter who has never before been involved in a major political campaign.

"Ms. Katz, who said she has attended every GOP convention since 1984, said the Cruz forces out-organized Mr. Trump’s campaign, whom she said showed no concern about helping their supporters win the committee slots.

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Anyone who voted for Rand (or Graham or Pataki or anyone without a delegate slate) in Louisiana was actually just voting for the chair of the state party to appoint whoever they wanted.

Also, the allocation rules by Congressional district were very shady. They were announced relatively late and the Trump campaign either wasn't aware or wasn't aware how shady they were so they didn't object.
 
@RonPaulGeorge&Ringo I didn't read the WSJ article (it said subscription required), so thanks for posting it.

I didn't vote in the caucus...I switched my registration from GOP to No Party after 2012. But my husband and my son went, and my husband said he asked what would happen if he voted for Rand's delegates (after what happened in 2012, we both mistrust the whole process.) They told him those votes would just be thrown out i.e., ignored, not counted at all....not given to another candidate of the party chair's choosing, because Rand had already dropped out.

I don't like Trump, but it's still sickening to see how far the LA GOP will go to stop a candidate they don't like who has been fairly chosen by the people of this state.
 
This could be a factor if Cruz survived projected massive deficit in coming primaries and the latest internet buzz #CruzSexScandal.
 
In a fair contest, that's exactly what you'd expect. But Republicans don't play fair. I can't say that *I* care because I'm not a Trump supporter, but Ron Paul supporters have seen this before. The GOP is not above stealing for Cruz. How? I don't know. I have no idea how Cruz is getting more delegates than Trump in my state when Trump won the primary either. Strange things happen behind closed doors.

Then like I said, get ready for some major league riot action at the convention, along the lines of something that would make hippies getting punched out look like a walk in the park. It'll make for great television (I likely won't be watching), and who knows, if they don't do their homework and have extra security people present, some of the RNC leaders might go home to their wives/mistresses with busted jaws.

I'm not supporting any of these clowns either, but I may get a kick out of seeing some of them destroy each other.
 
@RonPaulGeorge&Ringo I didn't read the WSJ article (it said subscription required), so thanks for posting it.

The trick is you have to get the link directly through google. Paste in a headline in google search and click through from there. Then you can see articles on WSJ and other subscription sites. WSJ and other sites allow this because otherwise google refuses to index their sites.

I didn't vote in the caucus...I switched my registration from GOP to No Party after 2012. But my husband and my son went, and my husband said he asked what would happen if he voted for Rand's delegates (after what happened in 2012, we both mistrust the whole process.) They told him those votes would just be thrown out i.e., ignored, not counted at all..

There weren't supposed to be any Rand delegates on the ballot at all in the caucus. There weren't in the sample ballots the LaGOP had posted online. (They're not there anymore.)

..not given to another candidate of the party chair's choosing, because Rand had already dropped out.

I was talking about the primary, not the caucus there. Different thing. Any votes in the primary that went to a candidate with no delegates (like Rand) essentially functioned as "uncommitted" votes, which by default would give the state party bosses more power to name delegates.
 
Cruz is on his way to a complete shellacking in every single primary contest to come, and absent some miraculous surge in support for Kasich, Trump will break the delegate threshold and this contested convention crap will either go away or it'll lead to a massive meltdown with riots to boot. Can't say I care, but it might make for good television for those who still watch it. lol

This. If they do somehow keep Trump from getting 1237, it will be the end of the GOP.
 
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