TEA Party Voting For Beshear?

[Flash]

According to Kenny Colston at cni2, Mica Sims, a Lexington TEA party organizer, says many of her group will be voting for Beshear in November. Really? Does that reflect a carefully thought out strategy designed to give the TEA party movement increased relevance in local, county, state and national politics?

Or is that the "to be expected" reaction from a bunch of sore losers, destined to perpetuate the image of the TEA party as a disorganized conglomeration of the politically ignorant, tin foil hatted whack jobs and disgruntled rejects nomadic-ally traveling the political landscape like a bunch of feral anarchists gathering together under a tree they themselves named liberty?

Well, there is always the possibility that this pronouncement by Mica could be an overstatement. But there is no doubt that unless that statement was meant merely as a threat in order to secure concessions regarding fiscal or liberty related issues from David Williams, that the plan to vote for Beshear does nothing to increase the relevance of the TEA party. In fact it would do just the opposite.

It has been reported that Steve Beshear wants to "bust up the TEA party". He is on record as "bucking the TEA party trend". Their preferred candidate in the republican primary, Phil Moffett, has said of Beshear "Governor Steve Beshear has taken his agreement with Obama’s bad economic policies too far and it is killing Kentucky". And, I suspect, that Moffett will endorse the Williams candidacy over that of Beshear tomorrow in Frankfort.

So where does this kind of politically immature sentiment come from? From losers who don't know how to win. It's not that they can't win, it's that they have been outside of the system (the republic) for far too long, not paying attention to how things get done and so they always see each battle as the war and their impatience is being expressed as frustration and it is driving them completely insane.

Perhaps they would do well to remember a little history of war, and recall the the lessons of an important turning point when not only did one regiment win a skrimish, but won the battle of Gettysbug itself, and are credited with winning the war.

In June 1863 the Confederate Army was at its peak. It had just crushed the Union Army at Chancelorsville. One more decisive win in the North might severely weaken the sagging Union military and force Lincoln to the bargaining table. That win needed to come at Gettysburg.

By chance the Union forces discovered a hill, "Little Round Top" poorly defended. To the surveying Union leaders, should the Confederates take this position the battle of Gettysburg, and the war itself would hang in the balance.

Union troops defended the hill against vicious assaults, until the 20th Maine unit was out of ammunition. Seeing another charge coming, the volunteer infantry were commanded by Col. Chamberlain to "fix bayonets". Their screaming charge down the hill, into the face of gunfire scattered the Confederates, won the skirmish, is credited by some as being a turning point in the battle of Gettysburg and contributing greatly to winning the war and preserving our republic.

Retreat was an option. Surrender to the enemy was an option. Instead they chose to not only stay and fight, but to charge forward without ammunition.

The TEA party needs to take inventory of its considerable might., use what they have at their disposal to influence policy and work within the system to effectuate change. The kind of change they want is not likely to arrive overnight. But remember, no governor, governs alone.

He appoints people to key positions. He must react to public opinion. And candidates must commit to behave in office consistent with the will of the people, or risk losing.

Now is not the time for the TEA party to "puss out". Now is the time for them to become the heroes of the battle for smaller government, lower taxes and free markets.

Sorry, Mica, but if you know TEA party people threatening to vote for Beshear, the man your guy Moffett wanted to beat, try to talk some sense into them. If they won't listen, so be it. They will end up on the trash heap of history, instead of being considered the kind of modern day heroes they fancy themselves to be.

http://www.bluegrassbulletin.com/2011/05/tea-party-voting-for-beshear.html

 

[BamaFanNKy]

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[Sola_Fide]

I used to have a big crush on the lead singer of Garbage. This was one of my favorite songs:

She's cute.

Most Tea Party types will just stay home.

Didn't Moffett win in UK country? Farmer's backyard? Kind of telling...

 

[BamaFanNKy]

She's cute.

Most Tea Party types will just stay home.

Didn't Moffett win in UK country? Farmer's backyard? Kind of telling...

Actually Moffett lost in Eastern Kentucky. That is where the Real UK Country and Farmer's back ground happens to be.

Tea Party people staying home? They did that on Moffett as well or is the TP down to just 54,000 people. If so.... they are a weak group.

 

[RandomUser]

Actually Moffett lost in Eastern Kentucky. That is where the Real UK Country and Farmer's back ground happens to be.

Tea Party people staying home? They did that on Moffett as well or is the TP down to just 54,000 people. If so.... they are a weak group.

Moffett pulled Central Kentucky which by total of UK fans would be the largest in the state. Eastern Kentucky has less population and is bleeding population with some counties losing 10% plus this decade AND it is Democrat country + we have closed primaries. Moffett beat the most recent polling WITH a slightly higher than expected turnout. He out performed what was expected and that is a Tea Party win IMO. Gatewood should be the choice but his running mate turns off people. Which is a shame as you shouldn't base your vote on a running mate as I don't make decisions based on "If someone might die" Voting for Beshear is not the answer (Neither is voting for Williams). *People* Write someone in before you do that.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Moffett pulled Central Kentucky which by total of UK fans would be the largest in the state. Eastern Kentucky has less population and is bleeding population with some counties losing 10% plus this decade AND it is Democrat country + we have closed primaries. Moffett beat the most recent polling WITH a slightly higher than expected turnout. He out performed what was expected and that is a Tea Party win IMO. Gatewood should be the choice but his running mate turns off people. Which is a shame as you shouldn't base your vote on a running mate as I don't make decisions based on "If someone might die" Voting for Beshear is not the answer (Neither is voting for Williams). *People* Write someone in before you do that.

Yeah, what do I know.... I only worked for the UK Network. The die hard UK fans are in Eastern Kentucky. Central Kentucky is a hodge podge of out of staters and people who went to other schools.

If turnout wasn't so low it would not have been close. The Rand Paul folks who were excited about him, weren't excited about Moffett. That's why he got beat. He did only a fractional bit better than Conway did against Rand..... that's with each vote counting for more with low turnout.

 

[Thargok]

There was a Governor's Primary in Kentucky? I thought Williams Farmer was running unopposed, certainly if anybody else was serious about the race they would have called me to see who I supported, sent me mail, something. Oh well.

 

[thomas-in-ky]

John Kemper (for state auditor) is now at the top of the liberty ticket this fall in KY... running against Beshear's chief of staff. If the governor's chief of staff wins the auditor's race, we can expect some very thorough reviews of state finances... NOT! Kemper received more votes than Williams in the primary, and although any of the republicans can win this fall, I expect Kemper to outperform his compatriots on the republican ticket. To have a liberty candidate in the office of auditor would be huge. No need to sit this one out in the fall!

 

[BamaFanNKy]

John Kemper (for state auditor) is now at the top of the liberty ticket this fall in KY... running against Beshear's chief of staff. If the governor's chief of staff wins the auditor's race, we can expect some very thorough reviews of state finances... NOT! Kemper received more votes than Williams in the primary, and although any of the republicans can win this fall, I expect Kemper to outperform his compatriots on the republican ticket. To have a liberty candidate in the office of auditor would be huge. No need to sit this one out in the fall!

Is he the one in Bankruptcy?

 

[RandomUser]

Yeah, what do I know.... I only worked for the UK Network. The die hard UK fans are in Eastern Kentucky. Central Kentucky is a hodge podge of out of staters and people who went to other schools.

The issue is math, not percent of die hard fans. A. E. Ky has less people & B. Those people are generally registered D's. Richie Farmer does not help as much in the primaries as said fans cannot vote for him. Being from Central and Eastern Kentucky I am well aware that a higher percentage of the population are UK supporters in the East. However if you have say 60% UK fans in one area that has a million people and 90% fans in another area with only 500K people. You have a larger voting block of fans in the more populated and less frenzied area. Combine this with a high penetration of Democrats in the east who cannot even vote in said primary. (*Population numbers are made up I am trying to illustrate a point*) But what do I know all I did was watch the UK Network and a nebulous grasp of demographics.

If turnout wasn't so low it would not have been close. The Rand Paul folks who were excited about him, weren't excited about Moffett. That's why he got beat. He did only a fractional bit better than Conway did against Rand..... that's with each vote counting for more with low turnout.

Turnout was higher than projected and plus you cannot compare primary numbers to general numbers. Very different dynamics. Moffett got beat because he lacked money.

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. Grassroots may get you the 10% or so bump that moffett got over the projected polling but it will not overcome the large spending difference the candidates had.

 

[thomas-in-ky]

Is he the one in Bankruptcy?

If so, then I presume he was caught up in the government manipulated housing market as a self employed developer/builder. Regardless, IMHO, Kemper would make a much better watchdog than Beshear's chief of staff... for state auditor. He also "gets it" when it comes to limited government and constitutional issues. His moral compass is intact, and he knows where and how to start looking. I think we need to give Kemper some serious support. He pwnd in the primary, and he can win in the general.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

The issue is math, not percent of die hard fans. A. E. Ky has less people & B. Those people are generally registered D's. Richie Farmer does not help as much in the primaries as said fans cannot vote for him. Being from Central and Eastern Kentucky I am well aware that a higher percentage of the population are UK supporters in the East. However if you have say 60% UK fans in one area that has a million people and 90% fans in another area with only 500K people. You have a larger voting block of fans in the more populated and less frenzied area. Combine this with a high penetration of Democrats in the east who cannot even vote in said primary. (*Population numbers are made up I am trying to illustrate a point*) But what do I know all I did was watch the UK Network and a nebulous grasp of demographics.




Turnout was higher than projected and plus you cannot compare primary numbers to general numbers. Very different dynamics. Moffett got beat because he lacked money.

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. Grassroots may get you the 10% or so bump that moffett got over the projected polling but it will not overcome the large spending difference the candidates had.

A lot of what you write is from a place based on zero facts. We used to do polling and surveys of the "Wildcat Nation" since we sold the network. Eastern Kentucky is largely GOP and Wildcat fans. Lexington is transient and not as loyal compared to E. Ky. You do realize the 5th district has more GOP than the 6th?

In fact, Eastern Kentucky is the largest concentration of GOPers in the state. 211,000+. Lexington Metro is the 4th of 6 in size. Ahead of Louisville and Far western Kentucky is the smallest. So, Moffett actually won a smaller section of GOPers there. He did win some counties in the 4th, which is the #2 most GOP area.

You do realize Moffett lost more than a lack of money. Hell, Rand got 206,000 votes in his primary race. That is 1 in 4 people who voted for Rand voted for Moffett. Moffett also got beat because he was spineless and lacked the street cred to get enthusiastic voters. Hell, he was running against a guy known as "The Bully From Burkesville" and still couldn't win. Hell, he had been in the race for over a year. Maybe, just maybe..... he ran an awful race.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

If so, then I presume he was caught up in the government manipulated housing market as a self employed developer/builder. Regardless, IMHO, Kemper would make a much better watchdog than Beshear's chief of staff... for state auditor. He also "gets it" when it comes to limited government and constitutional issues. His moral compass is intact, and he knows where and how to start looking. I think we need to give Kemper some serious support. He pwnd in the primary, and he can win in the general.

Doesn't matter how you go bankrupt. When you are in a race for statewide office like auditor, you can't be going through bankruptcy. Also, Beshear is probably going to lose to Williams. The dems are very split on the race as of now.

 

[RandomUser]

A lot of what you write is from a place based on zero facts. We used to do polling and surveys of the "Wildcat Nation" since we sold the network. Eastern Kentucky is largely GOP and Wildcat fans. Lexington is transient and not as loyal compared to E. Ky. You do realize the 5th district has more GOP than the 6th?

Our views of what is Eastern Kentucky is different. 5th district does not include the democrat stronghold of Mason to Boyd. Maybe I should have specified. IMO you draw a horizontal line past winchester and everything east of that is eastern kentucky. I think Mt Sterling has a water tower referring to something like that.

You do realize Moffett lost more than a lack of money. Hell, Rand got 206,000 votes in his primary race. That is 1 in 4 people who voted for Rand voted for Moffett. Moffett also got beat because he was spineless and lacked the street cred to get enthusiastic voters. Hell, he was running against a guy known as "The Bully From Burkesville" and still couldn't win. Hell, he had been in the race for over a year. Maybe, just maybe..... he ran an awful race.

Turnout for Senate race is very different then a state race. You cannot go by vote totals. We have different opinions. I am not saying the game plan was good. I am saying it is was a Tea Party win. Moffett beat polling expectations.

If he wanted to win he needed it to be a 2 person race, raise more money, and have some mustache remover handy.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Turnout for Senate race is very different then a state race. You cannot go by vote totals. We have different opinions. I am not saying the game plan was good. I am saying it is was a Tea Party win. Moffett beat polling expectations.

If he wanted to win he needed it to be a 2 person race, raise more money, and have some mustache remover handy.

Again, the only reason Moffett did well was low turnout all around. There was absolutely no juice from Moffett. He excited the base of Central and Northern Kentucky. I never saw a Moffett Bumper Sticker or sign anywhere down in South Central Kentucky. In fact, it took me going to frankfort to see one. Seriously, the Tea Party here put out a press release but, I think that was it.

Also, my congressional map plan of Eastern Kentucky is 5th district because, when I lived in Mason County they told me Maysville to Ashland is not Eastern Kentucky. Which I kind of agree. Big difference in Lewis County people and Pikeville. I don't know if it's the Ohio influence on the northern part, or what? Ashland is more apt to be called Eastern Kentucky than Maysville to Morehead to Mt. Sterling.

 

[RandomUser]

Also, my congressional map plan of Eastern Kentucky is 5th district because, when I lived in Mason County they told me Maysville to Ashland is not Eastern Kentucky.

I can see someone from Maysville saying that. I hate to break it to them. If you can see hills it's Eastern Kentucky. The Clooney's cannot change your geography.

 

[thomas-in-ky]

. The Clooney's cannot change your geography.

Lmao

 

[BamaFanNKy]

I can see someone from Maysville saying that. I hate to break it to them. If you can see hills it's Eastern Kentucky. The Clooney's cannot change your geography.

I can see hills in Monroe Co.... not really Eastern Kentucky. People on the river are really not E. Ky to me due to it being more German and Irish Catholics where the E. Ky are the white slaves from England.

Also, Clooney's can't change your geography but, Caproni's will change your life.