Tampa Convention Debate Strategy

[goobert]

Many in the Ron Paul community have losts a lot of hope and there energy over this last spring. We have had our hearts broken when Rand Paul was endorsing Rmoney. We feel cheated by many of the fake conservatives out there that dont seem to stand for anything once it comes time to go time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S9rM5lFJ4i4#t=438s
Ron Paul recently in an interview two weeks ago suggested he might like a debate at the convention in 2012 between the remaining candidates (Romney and Paul).

The reason this is significantly BIG is because the nomination contest is not really over until the fat lady sings.

So here is what we can do and its quite simple...

Make a motion for a debate between remaining presidential candidates.
-Allow all seated delegates an opportunity to ask 1 question per day.
-Allocate 3+ days for question and answer forum for delegates to make up there mind.
-Questions about Romney at Bilderberg could be brought up and violations of the Logan Act. Romneycare could be brought up.
-Paul could clarify for for anyone who doesn't understand what exactly endless wars are. And how the federal reserve is owned privately and its not a part of the federal government at all.
-Differences in ideas and ways of balancing the budget could be easily be brought out into the open.

Remember we want a debate.
Remember Ron Paul has still not dropped out.

John 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

 

[DanK22]

Assuming we'd get the chance to make such motion, why would Romney agree to it? He would have nothing to gain and everything to lose, because not one Ron Paul delegate will choose the dark side and enough of his delegates -enough to drop him below 1,144 - support him because they view him as their best chance to get rid of Obama.

The key to victory in Tampa is to have our delegates engage other delegates. Articulate, well-informed, and passionate individuals can win over Romney delegates. Maybe I'm naive, but I think a 10 or 15 minute conversation with someone is all you need to get them to at least question their vote. I can imagine a conversion conversation starting from a simple, who do you plan on voting for? Two main questions you'd need to ask and guide them through are why they plan to vote for Romney and why they aren't considering Paul. If you can get an individual to open up and talk about their political philosophy, then you can easily point of to them that they have more reason to vote for Paul than Romney. If all else fails, remind them that without our support Obama will defeat Romney.

 

[goobert]

I think a 10 or 15 minute conversation with someone is all you need to get them to at least question their vote.

You're spot on a 15 minute conversation is all that's needed for the majority.

If all else fails, remind them that without our support Obama will defeat Romney.

Yes I think the Gary Johnson threat should scare the out of them.

I was just thinkin this cause I saw the youtube video. And think many shouldn't give up so easily and accept whatever Fox New or CNN tells us to be true about who we nominate.

Assuming we'd get the chance to make such motion, why would Romney agree to it?

In the video Ron Paul brings up that Reagan was the lasts time he remembers going to a convention and not knowing who the nominee would be.

Whoever makes a motion would need to make one as a person who has no clue (or at least pretend to) have no clue about who Ron Paul is. And before he or she votes he would like to ask some questions.

You would have to make such a motion from the position of an uneducated voter wanting to be educated and interested in learning.

A careful and cautious and concerned delegate would be the type of person making a motion that way other delegates would second his or her motion just to have a couple questions asked and answered.

For example...

Hi My Name is {so and so} and I'm a delegate from {such and such place}. Their are many things I'm not clear on the candidates for President and how they relate to the GOP platform. Since I'm a delegate I want to make the mosts informed decisions as I want to bests represent the people from my {such and such place}.

Delegates would need to play this like a play at the theater. Just as CNN and Fox put on a presidential reality show we would have one front and center. Only difference is WE will moderate not Sean Hannity or Wolf Blitzer or Megyn Kelly etc.

Anyways please feel free to expand on my idea its just my take on the Ron Paul idea to have a debate. I'm sure other people in here have ideas brewing in the back of there head. Feel free to posts them below and get them out. Remember to hold your head up high!

 

[JK/SEA]

Gary Johnson?.....

maybe some will. For myself...NOBP.

 

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Gary Johnson?.....

maybe some will. For myself...NOBP.

I would love to be NOBP. If I was in a state that would let me write him in and actually count the vote. If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination I will vote Gary Johnson. My belief is if your not going to vote then its a wasted vote. So I am hoping with some luck though Ron Paul can come through.

 

[AJ Antimony]

Allow me to address everything wrong with your idea.

We have had our hearts broken when Rand Paul was endorsing Rmoney.

Speak for yourself. The vast majority of Paul supporters understand that this endorsement was meaningless and only helps Ron Paul Republicans moving forward.

We feel cheated by many of the fake conservatives out there that dont seem to stand for anything once it comes time to go time.

Speak for yourself. Most of us do NOT feel cheated because we know who the real conservatives are and who the fake ones are. Nobody fools us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S9rM5lFJ4i4#t=438s
Ron Paul recently in an interview two weeks ago suggested he might like a debate at the convention in 2012 between the remaining candidates (Romney and Paul).

Watch the interview again. You didn't understand him correctly. When someone says the word "debate," he or she isn't automatically meaning an actual televised candidates debate. Paul was saying he wants a never-ending debate on the issues. He did not, at all, call for a Paul vs. Romney debate. Besides, for many rational reasons Romney would never do it.

The reason this is significantly BIG is because the nomination contest is not really over until the fat lady sings.

LOL. Not only did Romney dominate the popular vote, but by all accounts Romney is dominating at delegate elections. Yes, Paul should have his 5 states in Tampa... but Romney will have his 45. It's over. HINT: That's why absolutely nobody is spending anymore money trying to win the nomination.

Make a motion for a debate between remaining presidential candidates.
-Allow all seated delegates an opportunity to ask 1 question per day.
-Allocate 3+ days for question and answer forum for delegates to make up there mind.
-Questions about Romney at Bilderberg could be brought up and violations of the Logan Act. Romneycare could be brought up.
-Paul could clarify for for anyone who doesn't understand what exactly endless wars are. And how the federal reserve is owned privately and its not a part of the federal government at all.
-Differences in ideas and ways of balancing the budget could be easily be brought out into the open.

Remember we want a debate.
Remember Ron Paul has still not dropped out.

Um... No. There's so many reasons why this won't work at all. I'll go with the most obvious reason: At best, 25% of the delegates will be Paul supporters. So the final roll call for your motion will be 25% Aye, 75% Nay. And by final roll call I mean the voice vote that is dominated by Nays.

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

LOL. Not only did Romney dominate the popular vote, but by all accounts Romney is dominating at delegate elections. Yes, Paul should have his 5 states in Tampa... but Romney will have his 45. It's over. HINT: That's why absolutely nobody is spending anymore money trying to win the nomination.

Damn, did I miss the convention? Oh wait, it has happen yet and oh lets see, its still roughly 2 months away... so if the convention has happened yet, then the lawsuit hasn't been resolved yet and Paul Festival and Paul's rally haven't happen yet. I think I'm missing something... how could I forget, not a single delegate has casted a vote yet?

It simply astounds me AJ, you have been on these forums since for 3 1/2 years and yet you seem very comformtable with accepting defeat with 2 months to go... Were you playing to win or fighting for what is right?

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

Anyone know how/if to get tickets to the convention? Would be nice to have a good crowd there if/when Ron gives his speech.

 

[JK/SEA]

I would love to be NOBP. If I was in a state that would let me write him in and actually count the vote. If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination I will vote Gary Johnson. My belief is if your not going to vote then its a wasted vote. So I am hoping with some luck though Ron Paul can come through.

define 'wasted vote'...

 

[Badger Paul]

We need to buy up all the tickets and pack the convention hall for Paul.

 

[AJ Antimony]

Damn, did I miss the convention? Oh wait, it has happen yet and oh lets see, its still roughly 2 months away... so if the convention has happened yet, then the lawsuit hasn't been resolved yet and Paul Festival and Paul's rally haven't happen yet. I think I'm missing something... how could I forget, not a single delegate has casted a vote yet?

It simply astounds me AJ, you have been on these forums since for 3 1/2 years and yet you seem very comformtable with accepting defeat with 2 months to go... Were you playing to win or fighting for what is right?

Just maybe I learned more about politics in 4 years than you have in your 1 month.

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

Just maybe I learned more about politics in 4 years than you have in your 1 month.

and where do you get 1 month?

 

[Matthew Zak]

I think our main focus should be on simply over-powering them with a MASSIVE crowd of ROn Paul / Liberty supporters. Let them know they're not in control any more.

Just GET THERE. And be heard. Period.

 

[parocks]

and where do you get 1 month?

he's comparing join dates. his feb 2008 to your may 2012.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

he's comparing join dates. his feb 2008 to your may 2012.

Not everyone joins RPF as soon as they get involved. I didn't. (maybe some of us were more paranoid of getting vocal online).

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

Just maybe I learned more about politics in 4 years than you have in your 1 month.

That didn't answer my question

Were you playing to win or fighting for what is right?

 

[tbone717]

Anyone know how/if to get tickets to the convention? Would be nice to have a good crowd there if/when Ron gives his speech.

Source: http://www.gopconvention2012.com/about/faq/

Can I attend the convention?

While tickets will not be available for purchase and quantities are limited, there are several ways an individual can attend convention activities.

To attend the convention in an official capacity, individuals should explore the process of becoming a delegate or alternate delegate from their state of residence.

It is also possible to assist with convention activities as an official volunteer. The Tampa Bay Host Committee is currently recruiting some 7,500 volunteers who will perform key duties during convention week. For information about becoming a volunteer, visit the Tampa Bay Host Committee website at http://2012tampa.com/get-involved/. Please note that Tampa Bay Host Committee volunteers will not be assigned to work in the Tampa Bay Times Forum or the Tampa Convention Center.

Those not able to attend in person can access the convention online at www.gopconvention2012.com. The convention website promises to be the next best thing to a seat inside the Tampa Bay Times Forum. We will strive to create a virtual “convention without walls,” which will provide an intimate look at convention proceedings and activities during the week of August 27th.

 

[AJ Antimony]

That didn't answer my question [Were you playing to win or fighting for what is right? ]

Both.