Switching to a Vegetarian Diet

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So I've been meaning to do so for awhile, but I've been continuously been putting it off. Recently after discussion with a few people and reading a few books and watching a few videos, I feel it's time that I go through with it. Consequently, I've also quit smoking. Even though I only smoked a cigarette or two a day, it was a nasty habit and I just threw away my packs of cigarettes.

I thought I'd open this thread to others too who perhaps are interested, but are not sure where to start.

I'm planning on switching to a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet. Still eating eggs and consuming milk products.

Any tips on meals to prepare, foods to switch to(and to snack on), etc. Would be awesome.
 
Ok, first of all, a bunch of people on this board are paleo and have had great success. Good for them. My roommate tried to talk me into the paleo diet, and he ended up doing it for about 4 months. Recently he switched to vegetarian, and after 2 weeks I am happy to report that he has more energy and feels less "weighed down" and is enjoying it very much. This has been my experience as well, meat just doesn't sit well with me in the long-term. It's important to try different diets and see what works best for you.

I'm primarily lacto-vegetarian, but I supplement fish once every 1-2 months (usually sushi) and turkey once per year (t-giving) and beef or pork maybe 2-4 times a year at most. That's mostly because I ENJOY eating meat once in a while. However I enjoy it more when I eat it once in a while than when I eat it all the time, partly because when I do eat it I make sure it is high quality meat. Back 10 years ago when I was eating it nearly every meal, it was difficult to ensure that every meal I was getting high quality meat. I find that when I do eat meat, my metabolism slows down drastically, I feel weighed down and will gain weight. For me, a vegetarian diet is key to a slim waist and a healthy lifestyle.
 
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Yeah, the health and energy reasons are a big thing for me. Exercising more regularly is something I'm also now doing. But for me, in the past few months, meat has become almost tasteless or even bad tasting. I've definitely been raised throughout my life as having meat as a center part of any important meal, so it'll be weird to change that.
As for reasons. Weight really is not a concern of mine. I tend to eat unhealthy, but even then I've always been incredibly thin, almost to the point of being underweight. Ethical and health reasons are my primary concerns, having more energy would be great.

I already cut all high frutose corn syrup from my diet 4 months ago, which definitely made me feel better. You never know addicting soda is until you give it up.
 
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with soy, especially in moderation. There's a lot of info about it being bad, but I think it's a bunch of propaganda. Soy is a complete protein, like hemp seeds, but much cheaper (only because it's legal to grow in the U.S.)

Still, you will want to stick to soy that is gmo free, organic if possible, and tofu if possible. My favorite dish in the world is Thai Green Curry with Tofu and Vegetables. Indian is also very delicious and often focused on being vegetarian. It's a lot easier to make good veggie food based on asian cultures than American.

So I would recommend at least small amounts of soy in moderation because it is a complete protein (and absolutely delicious, when I see a package of tofu my mouth salivates like it's a delicious steak), but your main protein sources might be things like beans and rice, nuts or dairy.

Some people have a hard time with grains. I don't. If you do, there are some good alternatives like quinoa and amaranth which can be substituted for rice (make sure to rinse these, per the instructions)

If you are ok with grains, try and stick with whole grains rather than highly processed grains. It will help to release less carbs, and more slowly than processed grains.
 
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The dangers of soy are real, not propaganda. Soy has never been the main part of diets in traditional Asian cultures, such as being a meat substitute and a major source of protein. It is a plant estrogen. Do your research. The propaganda is from the multi-billion dollar soy industry. http://www.drlam.com/opinion/soyandestrogen.asp
 
The dangers of soy are real, not propaganda. Soy has never been the main part of diets in traditional Asian cultures, such as being a meat substitute and a major source of protein. It is a plant estrogen. Do your research. The propaganda is from the multi-billion dollar soy industry. http://www.drlam.com/opinion/soyandestrogen.asp

I didn't say to make it the main part of your diet, I just said that it is healthy to eat once in a while because it is a complete protein. As long as you eat other proteins as well, I think you're fine.

Secondly, I don't buy that it CAN'T be eaten on a regular basis, I just don't recommend it because perhaps, for some people (and maybe not all people) it may have a negative impact in large quantities.

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Soy milk and tofu are all over the place in asia, and there are a lot of dishes from there that have tofu. There are a lot of Asians who are vegetarian for religious reasons, and many eat tofu somewhat regularly. I've heard the argument that there aren't, I just don't believe it based on my experiences.
 
The dangers of soy are real, not propaganda. Soy has never been the main part of diets in traditional Asian cultures, such as being a meat substitute and a major source of protein. It is a plant estrogen. Do your research. The propaganda is from the multi-billion dollar soy industry. http://www.drlam.com/opinion/soyandestrogen.asp
qft. As an aside-IIRC, the soy isoflavones that are popular in health foods and such are even worse than straight soy.
 
I've been vegetarian for a few years- for ethical reasons. A few things to look at:
- Grilled veggys are the best. :)
- Italian.
- Nuts, fruit and dried fruit for miscellaneous snacking on the go.
- Find a protein powder / shake that you like. Use it to fill-in, add when you aren't getting what you need.
- I can never get enough smoothies- the right mix of fruit, nuts, protein, juice, etc are great. If you want to go all out, get a high end blender ($300-400+ vitamix) and make green smoothies.
- For breakfast- potato, egg and cheese in flour tortillas are filling. :) Pancakes, french toast, etc are stand-bys.
- If you're feeling like you're missing something of old, you can pick up a lot of veggy substitutes for some common favorites- garden burgers are obvious. I've had veggy corn dogs and they are much better than a regular one- I've also had veggy "meat" balls, BBQ "ribbs" and on- it's really kind of surprising, and tasty. :)
- You'll start to notice that a lot of packaged foods seem to use meat as a sort of crutch- it can add so little, but they just have to toss it in there, almost for marketing reasons it seems.
When eating out, most restaurants will have one, maybe two dishes that are vegetarian. I'll always ask "Is this totally vegetarian?" since sometime no meat products are listed but it's still not vegetarian. :(
- The best "fast food" that I've seen is a Subway VeggyMax - which has a veggy bean patty of sorts. It seems only 25% of Subways have them, however.
- Lots more- this is just my start, and you can obviously eat better than this.

Great to hear! Keep us posted.
 
Yeah, the health and energy reasons are a big thing for me. Exercising more regularly is something I'm also now doing. But for me, in the past few months, meat has become almost tasteless or even bad tasting. I've definitely been raised throughout my life as having meat as a center part of any important meal, so it'll be weird to change that.
As for reasons. Weight really is not a concern of mine. I tend to eat unhealthy, but even then I've always been incredibly thin, almost to the point of being underweight. Ethical and health reasons are my primary concerns, having more energy would be great.

I already cut all high frutose corn syrup from my diet 4 months ago, which definitely made me feel better. You never know addicting soda is until you give it up.
I've had that experience with beef much more often than meat in general. The only meats in my diet nowadays are fish and poultry, and I emphasize veggies and fruits much more than I used to. That plus increasing my exercise has made me feel and function much better in recent years. I feel better than I did when I was a teenager. :cool:
 
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I have recently started going this route. Well also removing fast food completely from my diet as well as any soda's

just got to keep things somewhat healthy and counter balance all the partyin I did in my younger days lol.
 
I didn't say to make it the main part of your diet, I just said that it is healthy to eat once in a while because it is a complete protein. As long as you eat other proteins as well, I think you're fine.

Secondly, I don't buy that it CAN'T be eaten on a regular basis, I just don't recommend it because perhaps, for some people (and maybe not all people) it may have a negative impact in large quantities.

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Soy milk and tofu are all over the place in asia, and there are a lot of dishes from there that have tofu. There are a lot of Asians who are vegetarian for religious reasons, and many eat tofu somewhat regularly. I've heard the argument that there aren't, I just don't believe it based on my experiences.
Danno, the soy used in Asian diets is not the variety popular here. It's almost all fermented soy, and is high-protein, low-estrogen.

Soy – panacea or poison?
Soy “stops cancer and baldness” (1)
“Soy foods can stimulate the growth of oestrogen-dependent tumours and cause thyroid problems.” (7)
“Boosting your Soy intake could reduce your risk of breast cancer” (5)
“A British Government report concluded that there is little evidence that soy foods protect against breast cancer or any other forms of cancer. In fact, soy foods may result in an increased risk of cancer” (8)
Confused?
In the November issue I introduced a food pyramid by Naturopath David Getoff that positioned soy at the top and recommended it to be eaten rarely if ever. But these products fill health food stores, various medical professionals recommend them and have extensively tested them – or have they? Who do we believe?
This month’s crime watch article on soy will examine the following:
• History of the humble soy bean
• It’s role in the Asian diet
• It’s role in the western diet- where is it lurking
• Critical questions regarding its safety
• The guinea pigs
Soy Beginnings
The soy plant was initially used as ‘green manure’ or a cover crop plowed under to enrich the soil, and it became known to the Chinese as ‘the yellow jewel’. Soy did not become human food till late in the Chou Dynasty (1134-246 BC), after the Chinese developed a process of fermentation to make it into soy paste, called miso, with the run-off liquid called soy sauce. Tofu came after miso and in Japan, and China it was rarely served as a main course except in monastries where it was eaten with miso or fish stock. Around 1000 A.D fermented soy foods, natto and tempeh entered the food supply. Modern soy products such as soy-protein isolate and concentrate made using highly processed methods were unknown in Asia till after World War II. Furthermore neither soy milk nor infant formula is traditional in Asia. The first person to manufacture soy milk was actually an American missionary and physician Harry Miller. “Claims that soybeans have been a major part of the Asian diet for more than 3,000 years, or ‘time immemorial’ are simply not true.” (6)
Soy in the Asian diet
According to a spokesman for Cancer Research UK “There’s a lot of research that countries with a high intake of soy in their diet, such as Japan, tend to have lower rates of prostate cancer and some other types, with the active ingredients in soy thought to be isoflavones.” (1).
Sounds very compelling, however let’s elaborate how much soy is actually in the Japanese and Asian diet. According to the soy industry’s own figures Asians eat very little soy; around 9.3 to 36grams per day in China, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, and Taiwan. In comparison a cup of Tofu is 252grams, or soy milk 240 grams (6).
More importantly the quality is hardly comparable, with the Asian countries generally eating their soy already fermented like miso soup, not as tofu, sausages or meat replacement foods. According to Sally Fallon from Weston A Price foundation (leading independent health group) approximately 65% of Japanese calories come from fish while in China the same percentage from Pork. So it is far from the backbone of their diet (8).
Soy in the Western diet
Apart from the obvious where else is soy lurking? Research estimates that soy is present in 70% of all supermarket products and widely used in Fast Food chains. Soy is used to bulk out and bind many processed foods such as sausages, lasagne, beef burgers and chicken nuggets (food firms can then put a higher protein value on them). Even the husk is used for fibre in breads, cereals, and snacks. The big one is in vegetable oil- soy is the most consumed vegetable oil in the world and is used in margarines, salad dressings and cooking oils. Food labels simply list soy oil as vegetable oil
As well as that 90% of the 200 million tonnes of soy produced annually is used to feed animals (3).
Soy and the Thyroid
According to Mary Shomon editor of http://www.thyroid-info.com (9)
“Soy products increase the risk of thyroid disease. And this danger is particularly great for infants on soy formula…More than 70 years of human, animal and laboratory studies show that soybeans put the thyroid at risk.”
Dr. Mike Fitzpatrick, an environmental scientist and phytoestrogen researcher who has conducted in-depth studies on soy, particularly the use of soy formulas published in the New Zealand Medical journal. Dr. Fitzpatrick makes it clear that soy products can have a detrimental affect on both adults and infants. In particular, he firmly believes that soy formula manufacturers should remove the isoflavones -- that part of the soy products that act as anti-thyroid agents -- from their products (2)
How do researchers induce thyroid cancers in laboratory animals? They use thyroid-inhibiting foods like soy in combination with thyroid boosting drugs like Synthroid. (6)
How much soy can impair thyroid problems? Perhaps as little as 30 mg or less than a glass of soy milk. (4)
Soy and reproduction
Here is an interesting fact. Tofu is consumed by Buddhist monks to reduce libido. Humans and animals appear to be the most vulnerable to the effects of soy estrogens prenatally, during infancy and puberty, during pregnancy and lactation – all the major phases of hormonal shifts with growth and development. How powerful can soy be to the hormone system? One landmark study showed “that as little as 45mg of isoflavines could alter the length of a premenopausal woman’s menstrual cycle.” (4) Obviously it’s harder to find a cause and effect relationship as there are many potentially triggers to hormonal imbalances and reproductive problems. However in animals this has been more thoroughly tested. According to Dr Mary Enig (world renowned lipid and hormone specialist) female pigs can only ingest it in amounts no greater than 1% during lactation phase or face developmental problems in the piglets (8).
Soy and the environment
Soy was previously considered a good source of protein which attracted vegetarians looking for meat alternatives. But it’s a double whammy for environmental and health conscious vegetarians as the effect of soy farming on the environment is dramatic. It is predicted that 10,000 hectares of forest every year in Argentina (20 football fields an hour). If this continues at this rate in fives years time the country’s native forests will have disappeared. Similar scenarios are being played out in Brazil, Paraguay and Bolivia all thanks to companies like the genetic engineering giant Monsanto. The World Wide Fund for Nature published a report recently calculating that 22 million hectares of forests and savannah in South America (an area the size of Great Britain) will be wiped out by 2020. Crops have also triggered soil erosion, and the widespread use of pesticides and chemicals are destroying some of the world’s most delicate habitats. (3).
Soy Business
Soy is traded as an international commodity, like oil and gold. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry., "The reason there’s so much soy in America is because they [the soy industry] started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry. Once they had as much oil as they did in the food supply they had a lot of soy protein residue left over, and since they can’t feed it to animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another market." (2)
Conclusion
So Soy’s reputation as a health panancea is now badly blemished. It still has some supporters, but it is important to examine their background to ensure they are not just PR mouthpieces for a very powerful Soy industry.
Big Soy, like big pharmaceutical, has been a powerful force shaping an attitude to nutrition and health. Given the mounting evidence that does not support Soy as a health food I believe we need to be very nervous about accepting big Soy spin as nutritional gospel.
References
1. BBC News 2004, Soy stops cancer and Baldness, 14/11/2004
2. www.mercola.com/2004/jan/21/soy.htm, Soy: Is it healthy or is it harmful
3. Anthony Barnett, The Observer, They hailed it a wonder food, 7/11/2004
4. www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/articles/Shadow.htm, Sean Carson, The shadow of Soy or, How I stopped loving and learned to worry about the bean
5. www.thehealthierlife.co.uk, Soy Health benefits: why boosting your intake of soy could reduce your risk of breast cancer
6. www.thewholesoystory.com, Whole soy story: The dark side of America’s favorite health food. Daniel, K, T
7. New Zealand Medical Journal (vol 113 Feb 11 2000) Soy Formulas and the effects of isoflavones on the thyroid.
8. www.westonaprice.org, Myths and Truths about soy food
9. www.thyroid-info.com, Mary Shomon editor.
 
Alternative to soy milk: "Rice Dream" and now Silk has almond milk. Nice thing is, since they're not MILK, they don't scald or curdle in cooking or mixing. You can mix them with orange juice for a creamsicle flavored treat.
 
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with soy, especially in moderation. There's a lot of info about it being bad, but I think it's a bunch of propaganda. Soy is a complete protein, like hemp seeds, but much cheaper (only because it's legal to grow in the U.S.)

Still, you will want to stick to soy that is gmo free, organic if possible, and tofu if possible. My favorite dish in the world is Thai Green Curry with Tofu and Vegetables. Indian is also very delicious and often focused on being vegetarian. It's a lot easier to make good veggie food based on asian cultures than American.

So I would recommend at least small amounts of soy in moderation because it is a complete protein (and absolutely delicious, when I see a package of tofu my mouth salivates like it's a delicious steak), but your main protein sources might be things like beans and rice, nuts or dairy.

Some people have a hard time with grains. I don't. If you do, there are some good alternatives like quinoa and amaranth which can be substituted for rice (make sure to rinse these, per the instructions)

If you are ok with grains, try and stick with whole grains rather than highly processed grains. It will help to release less carbs, and more slowly than processed grains.

I demineralized due to soy and now have two front teeth broken off. One from pizza crust and the other from a chicken wrap with stale chicken. I have done every diet and am now back to what i ate as a kid and never got a cavity from, walked miles to school and back and often ate no lunch. Steak, burgers fried in butter, all grass fed, with chicken and fish, alot of berries, concord grape juice and fruit like peaches and bananas. I love bread but am allergic to gluten..not bad but enough to give me swollen eyes and heartburn. I know folks who it will make them walk with a cane they are in so much pain. Frankly, I feel healthy and strong again. But my genetic is northern european forests so I am basically eating the diet my ancestors did for 50k+ generations. I think my trying to switch to a completely different ungulate diet after only two or three generations was a mistake for me and my teeth and muscles cost dearly from that. I am now getting younger and stronger. I use veggies for medicine.

Rev9
 
Alternative to soy milk: "Rice Dream" and now Silk has almond milk. Nice thing is, since they're not MILK, they don't scald or curdle in cooking or mixing. You can mix them with orange juice for a creamsicle flavored treat.

Had some Rice Dream three weeks ago and the oil or thickener in it gave me a nasty bunch of hives after a night of wierd pressure type heartburn. If recall it has canola in it which is an insecticide for the rapeseed plant which is subjected to very harsh alkalines to stop it from going rancid a few hours after pressing.. One can make their own almond milk which is quite tasty by boiling crushed almonds and then refrigerating.

Rev9
 
I've been vegetarian for a few years- for ethical reasons.

I don't understand the ethical reasons for going vegetarian. Are you saying the non-aggression principle applies to animals as well? While I respect your decision to be a vegetarian, I've just never understood the reasoning, especially since humans are biologically carnivorous.
 
Any tips on meals to prepare, foods to switch to(and to snack on), etc. Would be awesome.

Just as to be a bit helpful in this thread, here are 2 vegetarian meal recipes that are staples for our family.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ecipe-Thread&p=2036425&viewfull=1#post2036425
An original from the wifey and one of our favorites around the house....

"Rainbow Pepper Pasta"
Ingredients:
1. 1 Bulb Garlic (diced)
2. 1 bag of whole wheat pasta (penne)
3. 3 bell peppers (assorted colors) (chopped)
4. 1 can of chichi beans (chickpeas) (strained and rinse well)
5. 1 can of diced tomatoes (Strained, no extra water)
6. 1 cup of diced parsley
7. 1 white onion (diced)

Steps:
1. sautee garlic on medium in olive oil (of course) and some red pepper flakes (optional add a few fennel seeds)
2. when garlic becomes translucent, add in onion
3. when onion i translucent, add in chichi beans
4. sautee chichi bean mix for a few minutes
5. Add can of tomatoes (salt and pepper to taste) (optional: cayanne and white pepper, fennel seed)
6. Add pasta to boiling water
7. Add bell peppers to the sautee mix
8. When pasta is done cooking, stir it into sautee mix and remove from heat.
9. Let it stand for a few minutes while stirring
10. Mix in parsley once it has cooled a bit
11. Mix in some romano or parmigiana cheese
12. Serve.....

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ecipe-Thread&p=2280207&viewfull=1#post2280207
I posted this in another thread and somebody reminded me of this thread.....so for posterity:

Broccoli Rabe and beans pasta
Ingredients:
1. 1 Bulb Garlic (diced)
2. 1 bag of whole wheat pasta (penne)
3. 2 Heads of Broccoli Rabe aka:rapini (chopped)
4. 1 can of cannelini beans or red kidney beans (strained and rinse well)
5. white pepper or black pepper and red pepper flakes
6. grated parmigiana or romano cheese.
7. olive oil

Steps:
1. sautee pan: sautee garlic on medium in olive oil (of course) and some red pepper flakes
2. Boil pasta and strain, mix some butter in (optional) (keep seperate)
3. sautee pan: when garlic becomes translucent, add broccoli rabe, add salt and white pepper to taste
stir well, cook until you can push fork through a stem (don't overcook)
4. sautee pan: mix in rinsed/strained beans and stir in lightly.
5. When beans are warmed up: mix in pasta.
6. Top with parmigiana or romano cheese
7. Serve.....

Oh and congrats on throwing out the cigarettes! I wish I had done the same thing 15 years earlier. Just make sure not to pick them up again, it just gets tougher as you get older.
 
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Read Brian Peskin's "The 24 Hour Diet". Vegetarian is not a human diet. Vegetable protein is poorly digested. Fiber is not healthy for humans because humans can't digest cellulose. Fat is the main fuel of your body. FDA recommendations for protein are not sufficient. Protein is mostly burned during digestion so very little is left over for body repair unless you eat plenty of it. Go heavy on the eggs!
 
Read Brian Peskin's "The 24 Hour Diet". Vegetarian is not a human diet. Vegetable protein is poorly digested. Fiber is not healthy for humans because humans can't digest cellulose. Fat is the main fuel of your body. FDA recommendations for protein are not sufficient. Protein is mostly burned during digestion so very little is left over for body repair unless you eat plenty of it. Go heavy on the eggs!

There are so many books out there. it is rather easy to pit them against each other. For example: Go Read the Blood Type diet, according to that author: grains are ideal for certain blood types (A), dairy is ideal for (B), meat is ideal for (O).
 
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