Study: Welfare pays more than minimum wage in most states

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One of the first areas of government I'd like to see totally de-funded, immediately after all the alphabet agencies..:mad:


Study: Welfare pays more than minimum wage in most states

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-more-than-minimum-wage-job/?test=latestnews


Welfare pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, creating little incentive for Americans to take entry-level work and likely increasing their long-term dependency on government help, according to a new study by the libertarian think tank Cato Institute.
The finds come 17 years after the Clinton administration, with bipartisan support from Congress, passed landmark welfare reform legislation that was supposed to move Americans away from entitlements and into the workforce.
However, “welfare benefits continue to outpace the income that most recipients can expect to earn from an entry-level job,” the study authors said. “And the balance between welfare and work may actually have grown worse in recent years.”
Among the other findings is that welfare in 13 states pays more than $15 an hour, compared with the federal hourly minimum wage of $7.25.
The disparity was even higher in nine states in which welfare pays more than the average first-year teacher’s salary and in the six most-generous states, which pay more than the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.
The 52-page study, titled “The Work Versus Welfare Trade Off,” points out a full package of welfare benefits often exceeds take-home pay in part because benefits are tax-free.
The study’s author argues that if Congress and state legislatures are serious about reducing welfare dependence and rewarding work, they should consider strengthening welfare-to-work requirements, removing exemptions and narrowing the definition of work. This could include reducing benefit levels and tightening eligibility requirements.
Cato senior fellow Michael Tanner, who did a similar study in 1995, told FoxNews.com on Wednesday that the problem goes beyond legislative changes and that the country needs to reform its education system to better prepare Americans for the workforce.
He also repeated the argument that entry-level workers don’t stay at that level, arguing just 2.6 percent of full-time worker are poor and only 42 percent of Americans are engaged in work activities, which includes job training and looking for employment.
“We need to get people to think long term,” Tanner said
The Washington-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities argues the study has several flaws, including that it "lumps together" a set of safety-net programs, including Medicaid, housing assistance and food stamps, and that "all poor families in which the parents aren’t working receive all of these benefits."
The study was also released amid a renewed standoff in Washington and elsewhere over whether to increase the minimum wage.
Fast-food workers in at least seven states have recently gone on strike to demand higher wages.
And President Obama last month again called to increase the minimum wage to $9 an hour for those who don’t get tips, saying “No one who works full-time in America should have to live in poverty.”
However, Congress appears to be in no hurry to fully address the issue.
 
“We need to get people to think long term,” Tanner said

That's racist.



Planning ahead is considered racist?

By ANDREW J. COULSON, GUEST COLUMNIST

Published 10:00 pm, Wednesday, May 31, 2006

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/opinion/article/Planning-ahead-is-considered-racist-1204942.php

Are you salting away a little money for your retirement? Trying to plan for your kids' education? If so, Seattle Public Schools seems to think you're a racist.

According to the district's official Web site, "having a future time orientation" (academese for having long-term goals) is among the "aspects of society that overtly and covertly attribute value and normality to white people and Whiteness, and devalue, stereotype and label people of color."

Huh?

Not all the district's definitions of racism (and there are lots of them) are so cryptic. The site goes on immediately to say, "Emphasizing individualism as opposed to a more collective ideology" is another form of "cultural racism."
 
I do believe this is a problem but I am uncertain they are comparing apples to apples because of some of the wording I have seen in these articles. It seems via the wording in some articles they might be including items that would be listed as benefits by an employer when figuring the wage and then comparing it against a bare minimum wage, not minimum wage + benefits.

Has anyone seen an article which actually shows the raw data used for the calculations?

I am all for exposing waste but when we argue with half truths we destroy our own arguments and lose credibility.
 
That's racist.



Planning ahead is considered racist?



By ANDREW J. COULSON, GUEST COLUMNIST

Published 10:00 pm, Wednesday, May 31, 2006

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/opinion/article/Planning-ahead-is-considered-racist-1204942.php

Are you salting away a little money for your retirement? Trying to plan for your kids' education? If so, Seattle Public Schools seems to think you're a racist.

According to the district's official Web site, "having a future time orientation" (academese for having long-term goals) is among the "aspects of society that overtly and covertly attribute value and normality to white people and Whiteness, and devalue, stereotype and label people of color."

Huh?

Not all the district's definitions of racism (and there are lots of them) are so cryptic. The site goes on immediately to say, "Emphasizing individualism as opposed to a more collective ideology" is another form of "cultural racism."

Seattle is a lost cause. I know we have a couple of people from there, but I avoid it like the plague.
 
so how should this influence my future negotiations?

should i require proportionately more $ compensation?

if not, is this a stealth devaluation of my education, experience, and talents?
is this a devaluation of my labor value or an opportunity to raise my ship as well?
 
This will highlight the difference between us and them. We would solve the problem by reducing or eliminating public welfare. They will start yammering that this is why we need to raise the minimum wage.
 
If we ended the welfare state, we might actually see some REAL CHANGE. No more slow crawl into the darkness.
 
Give 'em the ax! ... totally de-funded, immediately...
Mr, Evans, would you also support immediate defunding of the SS (Socialist Security)?

If not, why not? Keep in mind that people receiving welfare are, at least, legitimately "poor," in that they have a below-average income, below-average wealth-level, just overall below-average standard of living. Whereas the oldsters sucking down the SS are the richest demographic in America.
 
Mr, Evans, would you also support immediate defunding of the SS (Socialist Security)?

If not, why not? Keep in mind that people receiving welfare are, at least, legitimately "poor," in that they have a below-average income, below-average wealth-level, just overall below-average standard of living. Whereas the oldsters sucking down the SS are the richest demographic in America.

You and I have done this dance before...

My answer is exactly the same as last time;

I'm all for de-funding SSI after the freeloaders are kicked off the tit.
 
Study: Welfare pays more than work in most states

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Looking for a good paying job? Well, look no further.
No, really, stop looking. In 35 states, welfare benefits pay more than a minimum wage job, according to a new study by the libertarian Cato Institute, and in 13 states welfare pays more than $15 per hour.
“One of the single best ways to climb out of poverty is taking a job, but as long as welfare provides a better standard of living than an entry-level job, recipients will continue to choose it over work,” said Michael Tanner, senior policy analyst and co-author of the study.
The study is an updated version of one Tanner put out in 1995 that estimated the full value of welfare benefits packages across the states. The 1995 study found that such tax-free welfare benefits greatly exceeded the poverty level and “their dollar value was greater than the amount of take-home income a worker would receive from an entry-level job.”
Despite efforts to curb welfare spending, many welfare programs and benefits have continued to outpace the income that many workers can receive for working an entry-level job, which disincentivizes work, according to the study.
“The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work,” reads the study. “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour.”
According to the study, the federal government funds 126 separate programs designed to support low-income earners. Seventy-two of these programs provide cash or in-kind benefits to recipients. This is on top of additional welfare programs operated by state and local governments.
Welfare recipients in Hawaii get the most benefits, according to Tanner, at $29.13 per hour — or $60,590 pre-tax income annually. However, the state’s minimum wage is only $7.25 per hour, according to the Labor Department. Hawaiians on welfare also earn 167 percent of the median salary in the state, which is only $36,275.
The District of Columbia, Massachusetts and Connecticut have the next more generous welfare benefits.
D.C. welfare recipients can earn $24.43 per hour. In Massachusetts they can get $24.30 per hour. In Connecticut welfare recipients can receive $21.33 per hour.
“If Congress and state legislatures are serious about reducing welfare dependence and rewarding work, they should consider strengthening welfare work requirements, removing exemptions, and narrowing the definition of work,” says the study.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/study-welfare-pays-more-than-work-in-most-states/#ixzz2ciL4aeQ7
 
"Welfare recipients in Hawaii get the most benefits, according to Tanner, at $29.13 per hour — or $60,590 pre-tax income annually."

Holy shit.
 
The question is how much are they rolling into that AND are they already adding the tax savings as part of the total.
 
"Welfare recipients in Hawaii get the most benefits, according to Tanner, at $29.13 per hour — or $60,590 pre-tax income annually."

Holy shit.

i think i'm doing everything wrong.
i work my ass off in a very technical field with few people who can do what i do... and i don't make anything close to that.
I'd like to find a guide on how to get hooked up to the Hawaiian trough.
 
I'm all for de-funding SSI after the freeloaders are kicked off the tit.
I appreciate that, but I do not know why you are gung-ho and ready to kick off one group of free-loaders at a moment's notice, immediately, just kick them off, that's it, swing that ax; whereas for another group of free-loaders you feel totally differently! For old free-loaders, you are not only unenthusiastic about kicking them to the curb, but positively opposed to it, unless other cuts are made first.

Why the "unless"? Why the "only after"? Why the hesitancy? I love your clarion cry for ending welfare in this thread! It is bracing! It is real! And it is so, so true!!! Kick these bums OFF!

And it is just as true for the grasping, mewling, wrinkled hags who think I own them a living. I don't. You entitlement-minded freaks! I owe you nothing! It's time to take an axe and slash and slash and BURN YOUR STUPID STINKING BELOVED STEALING PROGRAM! IT'S EVIL! Why am I paying for this woman's meals and lifestyle and surgeries:

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Kick her to the curb! Kick her to the gutter! I don't care! AT ALL! Get all these self-righteous, overinflated, Greatest Generation of Creeps OFF MY BACK!

Is that clear enough, Tod? That make it through the hearing aids? Stop stealing my stuff!
 
I know right?

I work my ass off too and will make about exactly that! And then I get a lot of it raped away by taxes!!!

i think i'm doing everything wrong.
i work my ass off in a very technical field with few people who can do what i do... and i don't make anything close to that.
I'd like to find a guide on how to get hooked up to the Hawaiian trough.
 
Blow it out your ass helmuth!

I take nothing from SSI or any other government freebie program.

Some day I hope to meet your young opinionated self in person.
 
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