SPLC report on Sovereigns

[ronpaulhawaii]

http://www.argus-press.com/news/national/article_0c499146-5539-5ed9-b2ec-dfaa77e66208.html

They call themselves sovereign citizens, U.S. residents who declare themselves above state and federal laws. Many don't register children's births, carry driver's licenses or recognize the court system.

Some peddle schemes that use fictional legal loopholes to eliminate debt and avoid foreclosures.

A few such believers are violent:...

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I am awaiting the SPLC report on the AFL-CIO. Awaits with baited breath.

 

[Danke]

Sovereigns. (not Sovereign Citizens, that's a contradiction).

 

[ChaosControl]

Is that natives who renounce citizenship?

 

[pacelli]

Sovereigns. (not Sovereign Citizens, that's a contradiction).

Thank you for pointing that out, it is a contradiction.

Incidentally it is much easier to be a denizen in the US than a sovereign. Much more profitable as well.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Sovereigns. (not Sovereign Citizens, that's a contradiction).

ADL Press Release:

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/5833_72.htm

According to the report, the movement is organized around pseudo-legal anti-government conspiracy theories and the "gurus" who create them.

 

[amy31416]

Sovereigns. (not Sovereign Citizens, that's a contradiction).

Did ya see that they made mention of the fellow you knew?

A few such believers are violent: Two police officers in Arkansas died in a shootout in May after stopping an Ohio sovereign citizen and his son.

Assholes.

 

[Danke]

Did ya see that they made mention of the fellow you knew?



Assholes.

Ya, been following it.

 

[muzzled dogg]

are you fucking serious

 

[WaltM]

http://www.argus-press.com/news/national/article_0c499146-5539-5ed9-b2ec-dfaa77e66208.html

I don't see that as a problem, considering we here are against the Federal Reserve arrogantly declaring themselves above the law and government.

Either we believe somebody is privileged and above the law, or nobody is. Or we believe some laws and some governments are illegitimate, in which case we cannot say that the Fed is wrong for claiming they're above the law.

 

[WaltM]

Sovereigns. (not Sovereign Citizens, that's a contradiction).

Is that like how you can individualist or creationist, but not "individual liberty" or "creation science" which are oxymoronic?

 

[amy31416]

Is that like how you can individualist or creationist, but not "individual liberty" or "creation science" which are oxymoronic?

"Church of Scientology" comes to mind....

 

[WaltM]

Thank you for pointing that out, it is a contradiction.

Incidentally it is much easier to be a denizen in the US than a sovereign. Much more profitable as well.

are you a sovereign?

can you explain to me what profits you've made being one?
What law you've violated and ignored?

(in case it matters, no, I'm not working for the governing entrapping you, I just want to know if you have the guts to brag about what you're able to do, if you're so confident you're above the law and immune from government)

 

[WaltM]

"Church of Scientology" comes to mind....

funny you should say that.

Seems like you can be a "scientist" but fundamentalist Christians would like us to believe that "scientism" is unacceptable.

But, Scientology is neither a religion nor scientific (by definitions held for anybody who understands and embraces those 2 terms).

 

[amy31416]

funny you should say that.

Seems like you can be a "scientist" but fundamentalist Christians would like us to believe that "scientism" is unacceptable.

But, Scientology is neither a religion nor scientific (by definitions held for anybody who understands and embraces those 2 terms).

I'm not really familiar with Scientology, but when I was a kid we used to pass one every day and it always confused me....

Why is Scientology not a religion? They make you pay, not unlike many churches "require" (guilt) a person into tithing.

 

[specsaregood]

But, Scientology is neither a religion nor scientific (by definitions held for anybody who understands and embraces those 2 terms).

Sure seems like a religion to me.
And any organization with the balls to plant bugs in the FBI and IRS offices gets kudos from me.

 

[WaltM]

I'm not really familiar with Scientology, but when I was a kid we used to pass one every day and it always confused me....

Why is Scientology not a religion? They make you pay, not unlike many churches "require" (guilt) a person into tithing.

Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or in general a set of beliefs explaining the existence of and giving meaning to the universe, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs

Lack of such, plus an outright business structure of a for profit enterprise.

 

[WaltM]

Sure seems like a religion to me.
And any organization with the balls to plant bugs in the FBI and IRS offices gets kudos from me.

gets kudos and whether they fit the definition of a religions are 2 things.

 

[specsaregood]

Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or in general a set of beliefs explaining the existence of and giving meaning to the universe, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs

Lack of such, plus an outright business structure of a for profit enterprise.

guess it depends on which dictionary you use.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

I don't see what having a business structure has to do with anything.

 

[JenH88]

wow! what a slanderous article... lol... mentioning the most ridiculous theories in the movement too...

lol... it's very telling though that they're even talking about it....