Spending on 'Homeland Security' Exceeds Price Tag on New Deal...

[sailingaway]

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2013/04/26/video-surveillance-boston-bombings/

FORTUNE -- Video surveillance is big business. Expect it to get bigger. After law enforcement used closed-circuit television (CCTV) cameras to help identify last week's Boston bombing suspects, lawmakers and surveillance advocates renewed calls for increased numbers of cameras nationwide.
"We need more cameras, and we need them now," ran a Slate headline.

Rep. Peter King (R-NY) agrees. In an interview the day after the bombings with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell, he called for more video surveillance so that we can "stay ahead of the terrorists."

"So yes, I do favor more cameras," said King, who sits on the U.S. House Homeland Security and Intelligence committees and has also called for increased monitoring of Muslim Americans. "They're a great law enforcement method and device. And again, it keeps us ahead of the terrorists, who are constantly trying to kill us."

Law enforcement officials in New York are almost certain to oblige. NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly wants to "increase significantly" the amount of surveillance equipment in Manhattan, which already has one of the country's most robust systems.

The argument for greater surveillance is straightforward. Horrible events in places like Boston remind us that we're vulnerable. The best way to limit events like last week's bombings, the argument goes, is to accept 24-hour surveillance in public spaces. And when you see someone maimed by bomb shrapnel, privacy concerns sound coldly abstract.

No amount of security can completely eliminate risk, so it's difficult to know where to draw the line. Are 10,000 cameras really twice as good as 5,000? In tragedy's aftermath, it can be tough to have a serious conversation about how much to invest. But when the goal is to push risk as close to zero as possible, spending can asymptotically stretch into infinity.

more: http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2013/04/26/video-surveillance-boston-bombings/

 

[tod evans]

But their friggin cameras didn't prevent anything!

All they did was help identify who to prosecute/execute sooner...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Rep. Peter King (R-NY) agrees. In an interview the day after the bombings with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell, he called for more video surveillance so that we can "stay ahead of the terrorists."

"So yes, I do favor more cameras," said King, who sits on the U.S. House Homeland Security and Intelligence committees and has also called for increased monitoring of Muslim Americans. "They're a great law enforcement method and device. And again, it keeps us ahead of the terrorists, who are constantly trying to kill us."

And this goes here:

“If civilians are killed in an attack on a military installation, it is certainly regrettable, but I will not morally blame the IRA for it.” - Congressman Peter King R-NY

 

[Anti Federalist]

But their friggin cameras didn't prevent anything!

All they did was help identify who to prosecute/execute sooner...

Give us time, Comrade Citizen.

Once we have databased everybody into the pre crime facial recognition system, the cameras will alert us to a threat in the Matrix and we can then take them out before they have a chance to harm you.

 

[tod evans]

Give us time, Comrade Citizen.

Once we have databased everybody into the pre crime facial recognition system, the cameras will alert us to a threat in the Matrix and we can then take them out before they have a chance to harm you.

Skynet.......

 

[Anti Federalist]

Skynet.......

You're a hysterical technophobe.

All Hail Big Data and The Glorious Future!

C'mon...all hail...Comrade, I have to report this deliberate act of silence on your part...

 

[tod evans]

You're a hysterical technophobe.

All Hail Big Data and The Glorious Future!

C'mon...all hail...Comrade, I have to report this deliberate act of silence on your part...

I fondly remember rotary dial bakelite phones and party lines.:o

 

[Origanalist]

I fondly remember rotary dial bakelite phones and party lines.:o

Bakelite phones?

 

[tod evans]

Bakelite phones?

 

[Barrex]

Oh man I miss those things...

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

But their friggin cameras didn't prevent anything!

No, they didn't and they won't no matter how many you have.
Remember CIA's CTO stating that the most camera rich place on earth, London, has only stopped one crime due to camera's.

All they did was help identify who to prosecute/execute sooner...

Did they really? I seem to recall that the camera's that caught the backpacks being put down and the terrorists looking away at an odd time were all ground level and sent to the feds by tourists, reporters, etc. I don' think a single state owned camera was responsible for that.

And seriously, doubling the number of camera's isn't going to help anything. If you are searching for a needle in a haystack, the solution is not to double the amount of hay! Put another way, they are already drowning in dots. More dots isn't going to help.

Remember, they took over a warehouse, brought in a couple of hundred analysts and it took them something like 2 1/2 days to review > 1,500 hours of video footage before they hit paydirt. No, you don't need more camera's, if anything, you need to hire several hundred thousand new analysts, so all that video footage just doesn't sit there growing bit rot.

-t

 

[Origanalist]

I remember the old rotary phones, I just don't remember that term.

 

[paulbot24]

The next generation will probably only remember the above phones from The Matrix movie series.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I remember the old rotary phones, I just don't remember that term.

Bakelite was the worlds first synthetic plastic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite
http://www.worldint.com/science/bakelite.html

Rotary Phones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_dial

you can still buy them and they still work on current telco circuits.

-t

 

[paulbot24]

Bakelite was the worlds first synthetic plastic.

I thought all plastic was synthetic.

 

[Origanalist]

Advanced technology

 

[sailingaway]

bump to go with the 'pros and cons of surveillance cameras' thread

 

[kathy88]

But was it an OFFICIAL statement? Was he wearing the sash?