Someone Talk to RP - or else this will happen.

Lord Xar

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I know this was said upteen times last go, but this is a make or break time. No second chance!

HE NEEDS TO STEP UP HIS DEBATE GAME.

You will see a subtle decrease in time and slight manipulation every debate till the last one where he is labeled a non-such, and a weirdo. They won't go right out and rip his throat out, but they have a game plan to marginalize him every debate, increasing it.

He needs to change up his game plan. SOMEONE MUST CONVEY TO HIM THE IMPORTANCE of this marginalization and stop accepting things as the old dusty grandpa type "golly gee, they do treat me bad!". He needs Doug Wead, Tom and others and sit him down and go over things.

PLEASE PLEASE --- SOMEONE CONVEY TO HIM... you see, the more and more of a deficit he starts to run, the harder and harder it will be to turn those who will look towards Romney/Perry/Cain/Ging etc...
 
But he did a great job in this last debate! Cut the guy a break -- he's not a showman but he does deliver his message without fail. You can't please everybody.
 
He did so well in the last debate, perhaps he did sit down with Doug Wead or someone, just as you suggest. It's hard to imagine him doing much better than he did!

I guess I do think he could focus more on the positive, vibrant vision of the future liberty offers and a little less on the negatives of the current mess. Smile more, frown less. He could steal some one-liners from Harry Browne, who wrote a whole book of them. Now that man was a great communicator for liberty. "Huge tax cuts... NOW! Huge spending cuts... NOW! A balanced budget... NOW!"
 
He did well last time, but not enough. He needs to be more demanding and rehearse his answers and stay on topic. I know that this isn't what 'Ron Paul is all about' but he needs to put that aside and think of the bigger picture.

Making the point Tom Woods frequently makes in distrusting the government on monetary policy buy trusting them on foreign policy while being the exact same government would be a home run.
 
Ron's doing great. I'm critical of him during the debate, because there's usually a snappy reply that I like that I'd want him to say, but when I review his answers after the debate... I usually wouldn't change a thing.

Cool sound bites win people for a few minutes. Truth & honesty wins people for a lifetime.
 
He did well last time, but not enough. He needs to be more demanding and rehearse his answers and stay on topic. I know that this isn't what 'Ron Paul is all about' but he needs to put that aside and think of the bigger picture.

Making the point Tom Woods frequently makes in distrusting the government on monetary policy buy trusting them on foreign policy while being the exact same government would be a home run.
yeah let's compromise let's just forget that we're right just so the american people will like us more. I cant believe what Im reading here. Do you want to just WIN or do you want CHANGE?
 
yeah let's compromise let's just forget that we're right just so the american people will like us more. I cant believe what Im reading here. Do you want to just WIN or do you want CHANGE?

We want to win, I thought. Wait - are they running an educational campaign again? Because I haven't seen that mentioned in the fundraising materials I'm getting.
 
All I know is Ron Paul has been consistent and honest for over 30 years with the same message and the same style.

For about 25 of those years he was largely ignored.

Starting about 5 years ago people finally started to listen, and his popularity has steadily increased since then.

Could he be a better debater? Sure, but that will never top his voting record and integrity, and that is something no other candidate can ever get by practicing.
 
yeah let's compromise let's just forget that we're right just so the american people will like us more. I cant believe what Im reading here. Do you want to just WIN or do you want CHANGE?

Compromise? How is packaging the same message in more style compromise? I don't want style over substance; I want style WITH substance.

We're doing very well, don't get me wrong, we could win if it continues like this but if we can do things better we definitely should.
 
The guy is right. We can package the message much better. Like the healthcare answer he gave. Great message, horrible package. Philosophy isn't going to win us votes. Look at all the soundbites saying Paul would let people die because he chose to give a philosophical answer. He needs to stick to answering through Austrian economics, and the benefits/constitutionality of sticking to federalism. Can you imagine if he argued how government mandates complicate pricing in healthcare and if we just allowed the free market to work it's way in cost of medicine would drop substantially and people would only need insurance for emergencies? Republicans can go with that. Or how about he argues that it isn't up to the federal government to create healthcare for all but that state's have the rights to offer public healthcare! That'll win democrats and liberals over.

Same message, better packaging.
 
I know this was said upteen times last go, but this is a make or break time. No second chance!

HE NEEDS TO STEP UP HIS DEBATE GAME.

You will see a subtle decrease in time and slight manipulation every debate till the last one where he is labeled a non-such, and a weirdo. They won't go right out and rip his throat out, but they have a game plan to marginalize him every debate, increasing it.

He needs to change up his game plan. SOMEONE MUST CONVEY TO HIM THE IMPORTANCE of this marginalization and stop accepting things as the old dusty grandpa type "golly gee, they do treat me bad!". He needs Doug Wead, Tom and others and sit him down and go over things.

PLEASE PLEASE --- SOMEONE CONVEY TO HIM... you see, the more and more of a deficit he starts to run, the harder and harder it will be to turn those who will look towards Romney/Perry/Cain/Ging etc...

Agreed. He needs to take more control and interupt here and there.
 
Ron Paul is, who Ron Paul is. And we all love him for it.

Just because if it were ME up there being ignored/ ridiculed, I would probably pick the podium up and smash it to matchsticks before stomping offstage, doesn't mean I think he should do that!
 
why does that matter for that post ?

The implication that Chainspell made was that Lord Xar didn't know what he was talking about. It's insulting and ridiculous for someone like Xar who has been very involved in Ron Paul's campaign since early in the LAST election. And this insult came from someone who joined this forum a month ago.
 
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I was highly critical of Ron before this last debate. Compared to the others I thought maybe he even had prepared. I was very happy with his responses and his flow.
 
Go outside and tell people about ron paul. I"m going to go sign wave! Peace!
 
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