Since Ron Paul will not run in Nov. can we support Chuck Baldwin on the grassroots?

[Rhys]

It would be nice if we can use the grassroots of Ron Paul for Chuck Baldwin's election.

What I'm saying is, I suppose it's time to look to November, just like McCain and Obama are doing.

Ron Paul wont be running in November, so we should be able to post for Chuck Baldwin in these message boards just as if he were Ron Paul. We should also have our meetups start canvasing for him, and such like that.

Slim Jim season is just starting back up!

Also, guess what? we'll have to slim jim and canvas every two years!

 

[crazyfingers]

I like Baldwin but it should probably be kept in "Other Presidential Candidates"

Either that or http://www.chuckbaldwinforum.com/

 

[RPTXState]

I like Baldwin but it should probably be kept in "Other Presidential Candidates"

Either that or http://www.chuckbaldwinforum.com/

+1

 

[Perry]

The list of "officially endorsed" Ron Paul candidates is very short.
If they are endorsed by Paul then they have met a stringent criteria.
I should think those candidates officially endorsed by Ron Paul would be welcomed.

 

[Hayek's Heroes]

I'd be willing to bet the board's fairly evenly split on CB vs. BB. You're not going to get a cohesive group like RP. Plus, RP is still running and trying to start a movement. If you really believe in the movement, I'd tell you that the best candidate to support would be BB. He'll probably be on all 50 state ballots and he can pull disenchanted GOP voters with him. He has name recognition. Plus, he's already polling about 6%. It'd be easier to get BB over the goal line than CB. If you thought RP had name recognition problems with voters, it'll be much worse with CB. Just my two cents.

 

[alaric]

I'd be willing to bet the board's fairly evenly split on CB vs. BB. You're not going to get a cohesive group like RP. Plus, RP is still running and trying to start a movement. If you really believe in the movement, I'd tell you that the best candidate to support would be BB. He'll probably be on all 50 state ballots and he can pull disenchanted GOP voters with him. He has name recognition. Plus, he's already polling about 6%. It'd be easier to get BB over the goal line than CB. If you thought RP had name recognition problems with voters, it'll be much worse with CB. Just my two cents.

let me repeat: IF Ron isn't running in nov, we MUST scrap our differences and ALL agree on either baldwin OR barr, not split up our votes! stop doing a 'bull moose' teddy roosevelt or a ross perot on ourselves. No more splitting the patriot/liberty/Paul vote. Stop squabbling on side issues. both barr and baldwin would be infinitely better than obamamccainclintonlucifer!

 

[alaric]

MODS, unless you can guarantee me that Ron Paul is running in nov: DO NOT MOVE THIS THREAD! It IS relevant to the Ron Paul campaign, since it is a continuation of it past the convention. Now if you can show me Ron will actively seek a write-in campaign or in some other way continue past the convention, fine. Otherwise don't bury this thread in 'other' where no one will find it!

 

[Fyretrohl]

let me repeat: IF Ron isn't running in nov, we MUST scrap our differences and ALL agree on either baldwin OR barr, not split up our votes! stop doing a 'bull moose' teddy roosevelt or a ross perot on ourselves. No more splitting the patriot/liberty/Paul vote. Stop squabbling on side issues. both barr and baldwin would be infinitely better than obamamccainclintonlucifer!

Let me translate...

'Fear the other side. Abandon your principles. Vote for our candidate cause the other side is dark.'

This is the EXACT same argument the GOP and Dems make to scare their sheep into voting for their candidate, even if they can't make you like their candidate. Sorry, bad tactic for the big parties, bad tactic here.

IF they want to convince us we should go one specific way, then the people running need to get together and take care of the split by being one ticket, etc.

 

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

if that were to happen, this place would be a ghost-town.

-1

 

[countrykidz4freedom]

I wish Ron Paul would consider a write in-I talk to more and more people all the time who thought he had dropped out and wanted to vote for him, also as more time goes on, people are starting to see he was right all along, unlike the media projected him. Is a write in possible at all?

 

[RoamZero]

To be completely honest Im not sure a full backing of either candidate is going to get much done beyond the statement of the votes themselves. Ideally, the push should be do get one of the candidates enough support to push him into the debates. I think that will have the most potential impact.

 

[josephadel_3]

I think Bob Barr is stronger candidate than Baldwin.

 

[alaric]

To be completely honest Im not sure a full backing of either candidate is going to get much done beyond the statement of the votes themselves. Ideally, the push should be do get one of the candidates enough support to push him into the debates. I think that will have the most potential impact.

THIS is my point! pit all our thrust onto ONE candidate!

 

[alaric]

I think Bob Barr is stronger candidate than Baldwin.

whatever y'all decide is fine with me! I just want the revolution to back ONE united candidate, to get more votes. And since neither of them are CFR (as far as i know), the poster who said we are abandoning our principles is wrong! We would not be voting dem or rep cfr stooge, we would be choosing someone in our own sub-nomination 'convention' of the already chosen 3rd party candidates, NOT the 'lesser of 2 evils'.

 

[ARealConservative]

whatever y'all decide is fine with me! I just want the revolution to back ONE united candidate, to get more votes. And since neither of them are CFR (as far as i know), the poster who said we are abandoning our principles is wrong! We would not be voting dem or rep cfr stooge, we would be choosing someone in our own sub-nomination 'convention' of the already chosen 3rd party candidates, NOT the 'lesser of 2 evils'.

it's already decided.

The Libertarian Party is the third largest party and will have an easier time with ballot access. Millions more people will have the chance to vote for Barr.

Baldwin is a great choice for those that can't get behind the Libertarian nomination but will not get anywhere near the level grass roots support, media coverage, or votes. I'm guessing 12+ states will not have Baldwin on the ballot.

 

[Rhys]

Barr then. whatever. we just need to stop sending these to the "other candidates". at this point, we don't have a candidate if we keep doing that.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Bob Barr

Bob Barr is already polling 6% on the National level and he hasn't even started yet. 15% nationally will get him in the debates! The Libertarian Party is certain he will reach that number. He is qualified at 6% to get matching federal funds. He is on 49 state ballots and they are close to achieving Oklahoma which is the final one. It is predicted that this will be the largest third party run since Ross Perot! I'm excited about it...i'd like to see a third party give the two corrupt parties a run for their money! LOL In honor of Ron Paul who will always have a place in my heart....VOTE LIBERTARIAN...VOTE BOB BARR 2008!!!!

 

[mrchubbs]

I'd love it if people all got behind Bob Barr since he's my choice, but I really don't see it happening with all the anti-Barr stuff here.

The reality is Bob Barr will get more media attention than Baldwin. Barr frames Ron Paul's message in a way that can win over NEW people to the liberty message. Sure they come over supporting a "watered down" Ron Paul message, but once they start down that path they are easier to bring completely over to the good side. Many people are set in their ways and may take longer to embrace the full breadth and scope of Ron Paul's "abolish the fed", "0% taxes", "stop the NAU" rhetoric.

Baldwin uses the same Ron Paul rhetoric that scares NEW people away, but emboldens the purists.

Coupling that with Baldwin's lack of media attention it seems obvious the choice should be Barr. BUT and it's a BIG OLE BUTT... There is a lot of resentment for the way Barr has voted in the past. It doesn't matter that he's renounced those votes of yesteryear (apparently).

It matters to them that the man spreading the message is historically pure, rather than the message actually being spread to new converts. This seems to be true even knowing Barr is not going to win the presidency.

I side with the liberty message being spread to new people.

For more on my take (as if this wasn't enough):
http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/06/03/the-path-to-ron-paul-for-many-is-through-bob-barr/1131/


Enjoy.

 

[WRellim]

it's already decided.

What by an arrogant bunch of crapola.

Other than in your personal self-delusions, it most certainly was NOT decided by a non-representative group of a slightly over 300 Libertarians.

The Libertarian Party is the third largest party and will have an easier time with ballot access. Millions more people will have the chance to vote for Barr.

Oops. Wrong on that. Libertarian party USED to be the largest. Constitution Party now has more registered voters, and the number is increasing daily.

And this is probably the last year for that rated "ballot access" as I think Barr/Root will not only split the party, but probably lose that status in a number of states. Millions more may have Barr's name on the ballot, but that doesn't mean they will vote for him.

Conversely, dissatisfaction with McCain will move a significant number of people over to the Constitution Party (where people are welcomed WITHOUT having to become militant atheists, or sell their principles for a pragmatic has-been political hack).

Baldwin is a great choice for those that can't get behind the Libertarian nomination but will not get anywhere near the level grass roots support, media coverage, or votes. I'm guessing 12+ states will not have Baldwin on the ballot.

Big deal. Neither can win... but Barr and Root sure as heck CAN co-opt and destroy the message by flip-flopping around, advocating continuing the war, etc.

 

[WRellim]

Bob Barr is already polling 6% on the National level and he hasn't even started yet. 15% nationally will get him in the debates! The Libertarian Party is certain he will reach that number. He is qualified at 6% to get matching federal funds. He is on 49 state ballots and they are close to achieving Oklahoma which is the final one. It is predicted that this will be the largest third party run since Ross Perot! I'm excited about it...i'd like to see a third party give the two corrupt parties a run for their money! LOL In honor of Ron Paul who will always have a place in my heart....VOTE LIBERTARIAN...VOTE BOB BARR 2008!!!!

"It is predicted" by whom? Barr? Viguerie?

You really need to back up such total BS with something other than a bland assertion like that (you're starting to sound like the MSM... Barr's "imprint" is already starting to show on Libertarians I see.)

Oh, and don't get too cozy with that 6% -- many a year has shown similar BS (Anderson, Nader, Buchanan, etc.) and it basically doesn't materialize (the ONE year it did '92 the public was NOT happy with EITHER of the mainstream candidate, and Ross Perot spent 10X the entire budget that Barr will have to work with).