Showing my ignorance.

Steve Teters

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Question for the money guys out there: If the fed creates one dollar and adds it to the economy, the economy is “enlarged” by that dollar. Along with that is the corresponding debt charged for that dollar. If the total number of dollars in the economy is 100, for the purpose of this example, and the debt is 1 dollar, the total owed to the “bank” that created these funds, is 101 dollars. If there is only 100 dollars in circulation, how is it ever possible to reduce the debt to 0? Is my understanding of economics too limited to understand this? (And I admit that I have not studied this at all.) It would seem to me that under the current system, we can never “get out of debt”, because there is never enough monetary units in circulation to cover the created funds and the added interest (debt).
 
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The best way to stifle ignorance is to research... From my limited understanding there are more ways they "create" money into the economy..

Inflation is the result of increasing the currency supply (printing money), another way is that banks loan out a fraction of their reserve(in essence creating more money)+ interest. It goes on and on. I am not well versed in the whole scheme but it gets really bad really fast.

10000 loan (creates 10000)
with the new money a bank can then reloan another 9000
9000 loan (creates 9000)
with that new money a bank can then reloan another 8000
I think this is the best example I can muster.
 
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Money is not created. Money is mined, grown, or sewn. That's it. You cannot create a car out of thin air, yet you will trade money created out of thin air for a car. How does that work? The banker owns your car.

Allowing anyone to claim privilege of creating money is giving them power over you. That is why the bankers own all the land, houses, cars, refrigerators, motorcycles, your education and other claims against you.

First and foremost, food is money. It is valuable especially for someone who is hungry. People trade money for food. Food is poor quality money because it will spoil. Fresh food is better than rotten food so its value goes down over time. Food is grown.

Gold is high value money because it is scarce, desirable, divisible, durable and portable. Gold is mined. A barrel of oil could be used as money too but it's not as portable.

Your small airplane is highly valuable but a low quality money because it is not divisible. Airplanes are sewn. Cars can be used as money but they too have issues of scarcity and divisibility.

When you understand that real money is a valuable commodity that must be mined, grown or sewn, and understand that the highest quality commodity for money are precious metals, then you can understand how bankers can print money out of nothing, get rich while making you poor, and lay claims to everything you own.

To answer your question, the bankers can print unlimited amounts of "irredeemable currency" with force of law and legal tender laws, so it's really not a problem. When they get to $100 Quadrillion in the money supply, then they just print another $10 Quadrillion to pay the interest, and on and on it goes.
 
Question for the money guys out there: If the fed creates one dollar and adds it to the economy, the economy is “enlarged” by that dollar. Along with that is the corresponding debt charged for that dollar. If the total number of dollars in the economy is 100, for the purpose of this example, and the debt is 1 dollar, the total owed to the “bank” that created these funds, is 101 dollars. If there is only 100 dollars in circulation, how is it ever possible to reduce the debt to 0? Is my understanding of economics too limited to understand this? (And I admit that I have not studied this at all.) It would seem to me that under the current system, we can never “get out of debt”, because there is never enough monetary units in circulation to cover the created funds and the added interest (debt).

You have the basic grasp. A simple way of putting it: New fiat currency is only created as a form of debt. The interest to pay that debt, however, is not created at that time. Since the only way to create the interest to pay down the debt is by creating more debt, it is literally impossible to pay the debt. It is a Ponzi scheme from the outset. The only thing you can do is expand the currency supply and devalue the currency until it is finally worth less than even the energy it takes turn dollars into digits on a computer - forget expensive paper, as we are already to the point where even base metal coins are too expensive to make.

Incidentally, the fall in currency value will not be as noticeable so long as the economy grows along with the debt. But the promises to repay that debt (read=the only way money is created) will ALWAYS grow faster than the economy. And, like a shark that must keep swimming to stay alive, the economy MUST also keep growing. Population, goods, services - everything must grow. True stability under a central bank Ponzi regime is death to the entire economy that depends on it. There is no such thing as sustainable living, or being content with your wages - you must always do more tomorrow than you did yesterday, just to keep pace with a monster that will devour you and spit you out if you stop moving.

The debt eventually, exponentially, goes toward infinity even as the value of the currency approaches zero. Massive default happens long before then, as debts become impossible to service - whether through massive deflationary depression, where the currency supply dries up completely, or perhaps even skipping that phase and going through hyperinflation, where nobody can keep up with the inflationary spiral.

Technically, there was a time, and I'm researching this now, when the amount of debt-notes plus interest required to pay them down equaled an aggregate claim on the entire money supply (we are many times past that now, with many trillions in derivatives). At that point, over a short period of time - in less than a generation, theoretically paying down the principle plus interest would have drained all currency from existence. That of course assumes that nobody is going to live, except to pay down debt, never to incur any more - an impossibility under the current monetary regime, where money only comes from debt, and savings is literally taxed out of existence over time by that same mechanism.

So the banking and commerce side would suck down and own the currency supply through interest paid on the fractional reserve lending side, while the US Treasury would suck down currency from any interest paid on the Federal Reserve (deficit spending) side. After that, none of the original currency even existed, having long been siphoned completely out of the economy, leaving nothing but debt in its place.
 
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