Show Me State next after Utah? Looks like it.

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More about it here.

Competing currencies in Utah and Missouri (and maybe a dozen to follow), with no barter involved, no need for stores to "accept" anything but a debit card. Fed Notes, no different than volatile bitcoins - used as an interim medium of exchange only, or transfer medium - NOT as a store of (de)value. THAT is the power of what Utah is accomplishing now, and what Missouri may do later this year. You can save in gold and silver coin, freely converting it between other forms of legal tender, and spend it like regular money, without the pain of Fed note devaluation.

Exciting stuff. Thier's Law may yet have a shot in the near future.
 
I wish the guy was a bit more precise in what he was saying but yeah at least the general idea is in the correct direction!
 
This is great news and great to see. Hopefully more states are soon to follow? What other states are considering this? If this were happening in Ca I would put $20k into gold tomorrow. Utah isn't that far away....
 
Why not move there?

This is great news and great to see. Hopefully more states are soon to follow? What other states are considering this? If this were happening in Ca I would put $20k into gold tomorrow. Utah isn't that far away....
 
Pretty awesome..On a side note, I think that gent may have a bright political future.
 
Same here. I am already thinking that President Curtman's image would look good on a gold or silver coin, but I guess that will have to wait.
 
Wow, that is incredible. Do you think the Federal government will let these states get away with it, or will this be the next California pot raids?
 
Wow, that is incredible. Do you think the Federal government will let these states get away with it, or will this be the next California pot raids?

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but the time is ripe, and I see strong potential for this going viral - especially when other states eventually see capital flight to Utah and Missouri, even from around the world. The Fed and Congress will be under pressure to shut it down somehow, but it's riskier than just pouncing on pot. AND...it sets the stage, like nothing before, for "major federal questions" that strike at the heart and core of some long-neglected Constitutional mandates. The Federal government is in the middle of abdicating its Constitutional mandates, but the states went along willingly before. How can Washington prevent states from finally obeying the Law of the Land whenever they no longer see fit follow along with the Fed charade?

Break out the popcorn, and get those coins into holding accounts and in circulation!
 
Here is Draft 6 of the declaration that came out of the Utah Monetary Summit of September 26, 2011 - with presenters from all over the country, including Rep. Paul Curtsman from Missouri:

Utah Monetary Declaration

WHEREAS, money, as a medium of exchange, a store of value, and a unit of measure promotes economic activity, growth and productivity by facilitating specialization and trade, the accumulation of wealth and its long-term investment, as well as accountability in setting prices, tracking progress, and settling accounts;

WHEREAS, natural money – precious metal coin – by virtue of its inherent qualities of recognizability, measurability, uniformity, divisibility, durability, portability and scarcity has reliably retained its purchasing power, notwithstanding periodic fluctuations, over the centuries and millennia of human history, serving as an effective medium of exchange and store of value often without any governmental declaration to require, legitimize or perpetuate its adoption and operation as such;

WHEREAS, sound money, by retaining stable purchasing power over time, best serves societal needs by substantially reducing the uncertainty of inflation risk for creditors and deflation risk for debtors as well as encouraging saving and investment among the general populace and benefiting the economic zone in which it circulates by stimulating the economy and by attracting foreign capital and commerce to the region;

WHEREAS, history attests that monopolistic monetary systems frequently engender currency debasement, resulting in serious consequences such as lost purchasing power, inequitable wealth redistributions, misallocation of productive resources, and chronic unemployment, and that, as the cornerstone of a free market and society, the right to choose, whether between suppliers of goods and services, political parties and candidates, or between alternative media of exchange, effectively promotes the general welfare;

WHEREAS, for the equal protection of all people, rich and poor, the open circulation of complementary and competing currencies should be fostered and promoted by every sovereign state, including those of The United States of America pursuant to their monetary powers (expressly reserved in article 1, § 10 and in the 10th amendment of the United States Constitution) to monetize gold and silver coin as an alternative, voluntary medium of exchange, and as an effective check and balance against debasement of the national currency by the national government which is constitutionally precluded from demonetizing state legal tender, through disparate tax treatment, discriminatory regulation, the threat of suppression and seizure, or otherwise;

NOW THEREFORE, we the undersigned hereby declare and affirm that:

1. As an essential element of true liberty and of the pursuit of happiness in a free society, all people enjoy the inherent and unalienable right to lawfully acquire, hold and use as a medium of exchange whatever form or forms of money they may prefer, including especially gold and silver coin.

2. All free and sovereign states bear the moral, political and legal obligation not only to refrain from debasing their own currencies (except under the most exigent circumstances) and from erecting barriers to the unfettered circulation of monies issued under the authority of their sovereign trading partners, but also to affirmatively defend and protect against fraud, counterfeiting, uttering, passing off, embezzlement, theft or neglect by requiring full transparency and accountability of all state chartered financial institutions.

3. No tax liability nor any regulatory scheme promoting one form of money over another should apply to: (a) the holding of any form of money, in a financial institution or otherwise; (b) the exchange of one form of money for any other; or (c) the actual or imputed increase in the purchasing power of one form of money as compared to another.

4. Except in the case of governmentally assessed taxes, fees, duties, imposts, excises, dues, fines or penalties, the authority of government should never be used to compel payment of any obligation, contract or private debt in any specific form of money inconsistent with the parties' written, verbal or implied agreement, or to frustrate the intent of contracting parties or impair contractual obligations by invalidating the application of a discount or surcharge agreed to be dependent upon the particular medium of exchange or method of payment employed.

5. The extent and composition of a person's monetary holdings, including those on deposit with any financial institution, should not be subject to disclosure, search or seizure except upon adherence to due process safeguards such as requiring an adequate showing of probable cause to support the issuance by a court of competent jurisdiction of a lawful warrant or writ executed by legally authorized law enforcement officers.

We hereby urge business leaders, educators, members of the media, legislators, government officials as well as judicial and law enforcement officers to use their best combined efforts to reinstate and promote the legal and commercial framework necessary to establishing and maintaining well-functioning, sound monetary systems based on choice in currency.


The signatories hereto concur in the general principles expressed in the foregoing declaration notwithstanding specific reservations some may have as to how such principles should be interpreted and applied in practice.

Talk about a sound declaration of independence from our counterfeiting Fed. And what a distancing from all the Little Hippy Village bartering experiments. There's Real Money involved here. I see things like this, along with the practical issue of channeling allocated hard specie to standard purchasing instruments (debit cards) and it gives me hope for real change (gold and silver change) once more in circulation.

Wow. Everything comes full circle, with a major revisit some old Sleeping Giant issues, like state's rights and Constitutional responsibilities. Follow the money indeed.
 
This is very interesting.
If Missouri does this I'm dumping Los Angeles and moving to St. Charles.:D:D:D
 
Based on how he describes how it would work, let's put $1000 worth of gold into one of those accounts and say you spent $900 with your "gold card". Now suppose that the value of the gold went down to being worth $850 in the mean time- you are suddenly overdrawn. How is that handled?

He talks about using legal tender US coins. Are they being counted as face value (their legal tender value) or at the gold or silver content value (seems like the latter since he says that if the price of gold goes up your available balance goes up)?

Where does the money come from that you are allowed to spend? If they are keeping your metals in a vault- where did you get the $900 I just spent on my card? If the price of gold goes up (say instead of going down to $850 my gold went up in value to $1,100) where do they get the extra $100 I can now spend? Are they selling the gold instead of keeping it? Do they sell it as people "spend" it to get the money? Who absorbes the costs of the transactions (either the gold selling/ storing costs or the merchant costs of processing the payments)?
 
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Based on how he describes how it would work, let's put $1000 worth of gold into one of those accounts and say you spent $900 with your "gold card". Now suppose that the value of the gold went down to being worth $850 in the mean time- you are suddenly overdrawn. How is that handled?

He talks about using legal tender US coins. Are they being counted as face value (their legal tender value) or at the gold or silver content value (seems like the latter since he says that if the price of gold goes up your available balance goes up)?

Where does the money come from that you are allowed to spend? If they are keeping your metals in a vault- where did you get the $900 I just spent on my card? If the price of gold goes up (say instead of going down to $850 my gold went up in value to $1,100) where do they get the extra $100 I can now spend? Are they selling the gold instead of keeping it? Do they sell it as people "spend" it to get the money? Who absorbes the costs of the transactions (either the gold selling/ storing costs or the merchant costs of processing the payments)?

If your $1000 of gold is revalued at $850 and transactions in the meantime will be for spot. And when it is no longer in the spender's best interest to use gold, he can use another currency. That's the idea-get as many currencies on the table as possible so people are free to choose.

Yes he did misspeak (I believe) and say they would be worth "face value." Who in their right mind would run off to Missouri to deposit 5 double eagle gold coins to only have $100 in FRN purchasing power? Only a fool. The idea here is the gold content, not the designated fiat value our Uncle Sam ordains them.

The money is the gold in the depository. The protocol for which settlements will occur (daily, weekly) would be to the discretion of the guardian of the gold depot, or for lack of a better term, the banker. The electronic process could protect against what you describe. For example, if I had a gold debit card with $5 worth in my account and tried to buy a tank of gas, I would be declined at the register. Funds not available.
The extra $100 you describe could be realized by selling the physical for the FRN, many smelters do just this. Or they could keep it. I know I would.
They are exchanging the gold between accounts, and by providing this service will take on all the work necessary (storing costs,processing payments, etc) and ergo entitled to a profit.
 
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