Should President Trump open McCain Vietnam files . . . (?)

[Jan2017]

For example . . .
How about 29 July 1967 . . .
I'll bet the President doesn't really know the most accurate account for history and posterity sake of the nation . . . yet.

Meet US Navy pilot John McCain "center stage" . . .
as brought to you by the USS Foresstal control tower camera(s) - except the footage now is apparently out of public domain - wtf?

 

[Danke]

"Songbird McCain"

 

[Jan2017]

The 6:00 pm CBS Evening News for 29 July 1967 . . . Walter Cronkite reporting . . .

 

[Jan2017]

It is without doubt that pilot John McCain was cinematographically "center-stage" from the git-go . . .
it is unrefutable actually.

"The Forrestal class was the first completed class of "supercarriers" of the Navy, so called because of their then-extraordinarily high tonnage (75,000 tons, 25% larger than the post-World War II-era Midway class), full integration of the angled deck, very large island, and most importantly their extremely strong air wing (80–100 jet aircraft, compared to 65–75 for the Midway class and fewer than 50 for the Essex class). Source: Wikipedia

The first aircraft carrier camera accounts do not lie . . .

It was an extremely busy time aboard the USS Forrestal in July 1967 . . .
they had just loaded on to the deck replacement tonnage of a lower-grade ammunition for the aircraft the previous day
as they had used up the premium grade ammo with the President Johnson/Defense Secretary Westmoreland bombardment campaign.

The first footage that the President should see is that of the first plane about to take off on 29 July 1967
from the top camera of the aircraft carrier control tower . . .

(roll camera . . . )

What does one watch (in utter disbelief) you may ask while watching the uncensored United States Navy footage
of the USS Forrestal on 29 July 1967 . . .
(set the mood)








The "Seaman"/deck crew (position depicted above in stock Forrestal still jpg) is shown above . . .
and in the 29Jul67 footage from the USS Forrestal shows . . . as the first plane is soon - but never quite gets to -
(it would have NEVER been able to return to the destroyed deck IF it had taken off)
the final clearance/ok to take off . . .
from the camera on the USS Forrestal carrier control tower main cameraman . . .
instead of the above, the Navy seaman turns around and points out stretched arm to stage left (his right)
and there is - unbelievably - to my retinas burned with the imagery . . .
knowing the camera is trained on him and the plane about to takeoff and start the sorties . . .
the point at John McCain's plane.

From a legal standpoint - in a court of law - it is evidence.

There is no doubt . . . center-stage . . . aboard CV-59 - the first "super-carrier" of the US Navy -
before the big explosions . . .

in fact you could watch the missile caught on film as it errantly three foot off the aircraft carrier deck wizzes/flutters
past McCain's plane . . . watch from the main control tower camera vantage point straight above McCain in his plane
freaking out at the missile that just misses him.

The lower camera stays on McCain in his jet - with a clear view of him in the cockpit.
What the hell is McCain doing here at that time . . . is he in his cockpit still trying to start the aircraft and do what exactly . . . takeoff ?

Why ? Why the cinematographic emphasis on McCain from the very start of the enormous naval catastrophe ?

 

[Jan2017]

"Songbird McCain"

Fact is, yes, McCain was one of the (using his own language, btw) one of "the slippery. the slimey, and the sleazy" -
all collaborators" who were released in 1968, all except Delgado according to Rep. Dornan.
"Hero" McCain stayed with the VC.

1992 US Senate Select Committee on POW-MIAs, from the transcripts, an account by Congressman Dornan of a POW who said
"Oh my God, is that Admiral McCain's son (?) Is that Johnny (?)"

POWs could not see their own transcripts of their own de-briefings because of McCain blocking them getting all classified.
Make things classified so that no one knows.

A 401-0 vote in the House . . . with every single Republican co-sponsoring it . . .
and then, in the United States Senate . . .
"but on the Senate side we had one person standing in the way . . . and that person was John McCain."

1992 US Senate Select Committee on POW-MIAs needs to be looked at by President Trump, imho.

 

[euphemia]

What would be the point?

 

[RonZeplin]

McCain 2020 campaign

 

[Jan2017]

What would be the point?

Really (?) - I'll give ya' the benefit of doubt that ya' jus' wanted to bump the thread

 

[Jan2017]

What would be the point?

fwiw, unexplicably it seemed - but understandable now -
Marines would helicopter in to a zone/area/village . . .

. . . only to be ambushed.

Your son (?) your brother (?) your cousin (?) . . . hundreds -hundreds of US GI bodybags per week is a fact.

 

[jkr]

What would be the point?

ACCOUNTABILITY

 

[Jan2017]

The camera footage of McCain in his plane still trying to get his aircraft powered up is consistent with what McCain reveals here in an interview . . .



That other - and now "restricted" footage does show McCain . . . after an eternity it seems of trying to power up the jet turbines . . .
finally gives up and (and in my version) finally "recognizes the "jet fuel gauge is now empty" . . .
He is seen - from the control tower camera trained on him - as he then gets out of the cockpit, and McCain slides over the nose of the aircraft -
then drops flat to the deck tarmac.
McCain is not on fire . . . but the pilot next to him . . . the pilot who left his aircraft
and was down slope on the sloped aircraft carrier deck - is doused in jet fuel and on fire.

[TBC]

 

[euphemia]

My father did two tours over there that we remember, plus shorter missions, so please remind me what it's like to have a dad gone to war for most of my childhood. There were times when almost every dad on our block was off to war.

There is no point to opening the McCain files. Most of the people who went over there are dead or almost so. Nobody will ever be held accountable for the obscenity of it all.

Move on. There is obscenity going on all over the world today. This is something we can stop if we hold people accountable for what is happening now.

 

[acptulsa]

But it still rankles to have the spoiled son of an admiral do a "wet start" just to be obnoxious to the guys behind him, start a fire, and then get in such a hurry to get out of there that he dumps his drop tank in the middle of the fire and turns it into an inferno.

It rankles even more to have a cock-and-bull story concocted to cover up his culpability in the death of so many men.

It's beyond the pale to have said spoiled son of an admiral go on to reap millions in bribes while repeatedly getting himself reelected--despite his obvious crookedness--because the media keeps insisting he's a war hero. Hell, he killed more of our sailors than the whole of the North Vietnamese forces did!

And I hate the censorship that sees all copies of the footage shot from the ship's control tower pulled from youtube just within the last decade. It's even getting hard to find diagrams of the internal layout of the A-4 Skyhawk, because the location of their fuel tanks contradicts the concocted story. I don't appreciate Memory Holes.

No, I don't agree with you that this should stay buried. Even if he's so far gone with brain cancer that he doesn't even realize what's going on, I'd dearly love to see the asshole discredited while he still lives.

I'm sick of this sacred cow.

Trump went halfway around the world and pretended to talk to Kim about nukes just to get a bunch of bones that have been in the ground 65 years. And now they're spending, what, millions? on DNA tests so families of soldiers can have 'closure'. So why can't the veterans of the U.S.S. Forest Fire who lost good friends, and the families of those lost souls, hear just once the DoD and the MSM say out loud what they already know?

 

[Jan2017]

My father did two tours over there that we remember, plus shorter missions, so please remind me what it's like to have a dad gone to war for most of my childhood. There were times when almost every dad on our block was off to war.

There is no point to opening the McCain files. Most of the people who went over there are dead or almost so. Nobody will ever be held accountable for the obscenity of it all.

Move on. There is obscenity going on all over the world today. This is something we can stop if we hold people accountable for what is happening now.

LOL - turn a blind eye to hold people accountable . . . so live and enjoy the lie forever.
Do whatever you need to . . . ignore all facts to keep you happy if that works.
I choose to "never forget"

The prior McCain accidents can give a clue to what happened aboard the Forrestal and in particular one could start with
his first near fatal crash short of the runway into Corpus Christi Naval Air Station.
[TBC]

 

[Jan2017]

The prior McCain accidents can give a clue to what happened aboard the Forrestal and in particular one could start with
his first near fatal crash short of the runway into Corpus Christi Naval Air Station.

Johnny did not "like" math or engineering . . .
How did he even graduate from the US Naval Academy in the first place, with the "misconduct" remarks ?
Johnny's 1958 USN class rank was a solid #894 out of a class of 899 (?)

Meet John McCain US Naval Academy - future USA President-hopeful though foreign-born in Panama -
"a solid 2.0 GPA . . . right in that meaty part of the curve - not showing off, not falling behind "






May 3, 2018 The Washington Post
John McCain rebelled at the Naval Academy — and as a POW — long before he was a Senate maverick

Before his captivity, McCain honed the art of insubordination at a place created to pulverize individualism into obedience.

“I was really rebellious,” McCain said of his time as a midshipman at the Naval Academy, class of 1958. “I mean, really rebellious.”
Years later, he said he resented the Academy and hazing rituals that haunted him and his father.

His father, John S. McCain Jr., was an undersized but scrappy “middie” who himself earned poor marks at the Academy before he commanded all forces in Vietnam during his son’s captivity.

John S. McCain III quickly took up that mantle. He developed a reputation for partying and defying authority as he struggled to reconcile how much a career in the Navy was by his own design.

A group of rabble-rouser middies, the “Bad Bunch,” coalesced around McCain. To be around McCain away from school grounds, one classmate said, “was like being in a train wreck,” biographer Robert Timberg wrote in “John McCain: An American Odyssey.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...was-a-senate-maverick/?utm_term=.3e7349c18933

 

[euphemia]

LOL - turn a blind eye to hold people accountable . . . so live and enjoy the lie forever.
Do whatever you need to . . . ignore all facts to keep you happy if that works.
I choose to "never forget"

The prior McCain accidents can give a clue to what happened aboard the Forrestal and in particular one could start with
his first near fatal crash short of the runway into Corpus Christi Naval Air Station.
[TBC]

What do you want to do to people who are now no longer here? What kind of accountability is that? Hold people accountable to day for the atrocities committed today. McCain is terminally ill. What can you hope to change by raking over the past. Stop the obscenity happening now.

 

[tod evans]

"Songbird McCain"

Fucking rat-bastard.

 

[Jan2017]

What do you want to do to people who are now no longer here? What kind of accountability is that? Hold people accountable to day for the atrocities committed today. McCain is terminally ill. What can you hope to change by raking over the past. Stop the obscenity happening now.

Ignore the atrocities of the past . . . and that is the history that gets to repeat itself toady.

 

[acptulsa]

What do you want to do to people who are now no longer here? What kind of accountability is that? Hold people accountable to day for the atrocities committed today. McCain is terminally ill. What can you hope to change by raking over the past. Stop the obscenity happening now.

The military will spend billions to allow families of fallen service people closure, but won't sacrifice a single sacred cow for the same goal. Sad!

 

[Jan2017]

The military will spend billions to allow families of fallen service people closure, but won't sacrifice a single sacred cow for the same goal. Sad!

To "never leave behind a fallen soldier" is mostly an American tradition . . . ('cept for McCain's ethics)
it was not really even possible to remove the dead as much until the whirlybirds of 'Nam,
although the concept is not unknown in European military code.
https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/60/messages/907.html

A 401-0 vote in the House . . . with every single Republican co-sponsoring it . . .
and then, in the United States Senate . . .
"but on the Senate side we had one person standing in the way . . . and that person was John McCain."

1992 US Senate Select Committee on POW-MIAs needs to be looked at by President Trump, imho.