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This is the true meaning of free speech. Doxxing of public online identities (not home addresses and phone numbers) is the morally-correct, proportional response to this kind of vitriol. Words are always your civil right, but words are never morally neutral. It's amazing how fast the Left become moral absolutists whenever it suits their purposes:

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Indeed, there are such things as ethical and moral imperatives. On that much, we agree Mr. Fat Idiot...
 
Someone did it:


This is the true meaning of free speech. Doxxing of public online identities (not home addresses and phone numbers) is the morally-correct, proportional response to this kind of vitriol. Words are always your civil right, but words are never morally neutral. It's amazing how fast the Left become moral absolutists whenever it suits their purposes:

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Indeed, there are such things as ethical and moral imperatives. On that much, we agree Mr. Fat Idiot...
In light of Biblical imperatives, such as 2 Thessalonians 3:10, which says, "For even when we were with you, we used to command this to you: if anyone is not willing to work, neither let him eat," [LSB] are you for the intentional reporting of an account to the employer of the person of said account, with the goal of their losing employment and the potential of not being able to provide for his or her household?
 
In light of Biblical imperatives, such as 2 Thessalonians 3:10, which says, "For even when we were with you, we used to command this to you: if anyone is not willing to work, neither let him eat," [LSB] are you for the intentional reporting of an account to the employer of the person of said account, with the goal of their losing employment and the potential of not being able to provide for his or her household?

2 Thess. 3:10 doesn't really have anything to do with this.

The database is searchable for anyone who chooses to search it. It also features a hall-of-shame and the publications there are ever-so-deserving of that status.

Free-speech is a sword that cuts both directions. If you say things that are factually wrong, the government has no business intruding. If you say things that are factually wrong about someone, you can be sued. You're free to say them, and others are free to sue you and part of your settlement may require you to take down your false claims. If you publish a venomous opinion online, such as, "Can Erika Kirk be next?", you are free to publish those opinions, and the rest of the Internet is free to screenshot them and place them in a database. Personally, I would have no problem if the database were browsable, rather than merely searchable.

"Yeah, but what if the tables were turned? What if it were a left-wing commentator shot by a conservative? What then?" Exactly the same thing. What the Left has been doing, in terms of doxxing, is actually tracking down people's home addresses which they did not themselves publish, and publishing those. That's wrong because there is no consent. If you disclose information online, that information is public, it has been published. My first name is public, I publish it. I can't later complain if someone screenshots one of my posts and says, "Clayton of RPF said XYZ and here's the proof:" So, doxxing of publicly available information and centralizing it in a database like this is a perfectly reasonable and proportional response.

As for the potential employment consequences of expressing vile opinions publicly, employment is an at-will relationship, meaning, both the employer and the employee are free to terminate it at any time, for any reason. Thus, biblically, if an employer discovers that one of their marketing employees has been publishing vile hatred online that could reflect on the company brand, they have every right to fire that person on the spot. In any configuration of conservative/liberal you choose. And the same goes even for employees that are not "front-facing" since the company's relationship to their employee is at-will. Maybe the employer is a Republican and they just don't want to be associating with someone who spews vile leftist hatred on their Twitter feed. Separating them from the company is a perfectly valid response. Same if the roles are reversed.

In the end, the only person responsible for getting fired for publishing vile opinions, is themselves. If they have children to feed, etc. that is an accounting that that individual will have to give to God. God himself will care for the children, Matt. 10:29-31, Matt. 18:10.
 
I'm going to respond to that, in two sections:

2 Thess. 3:10 doesn't really have anything to do with this.

The database is searchable for anyone who chooses to search it. It also features a hall-of-shame and the publications there are ever-so-deserving of that status.

Free-speech is a sword that cuts both directions. If you say things that are factually wrong, the government has no business intruding. If you say things that are factually wrong about someone, you can be sued. You're free to say them, and others are free to sue you and part of your settlement may require you to take down your false claims. If you publish a venomous opinion online, such as, "Can Erika Kirk be next?", you are free to publish those opinions, and the rest of the Internet is free to screenshot them and place them in a database. Personally, I would have no problem if the database were browsable, rather than merely searchable.

"Yeah, but what if the tables were turned? What if it were a left-wing commentator shot by a conservative? What then?" Exactly the same thing. What the Left has been doing, in terms of doxxing, is actually tracking down people's home addresses which they did not themselves publish, and publishing those. That's wrong because there is no consent. If you disclose information online, that information is public, it has been published. My first name is public, I publish it. I can't later complain if someone screenshots one of my posts and says, "Clayton of RPF said XYZ and here's the proof:" So, doxxing of publicly available information and centralizing it in a database like this is a perfectly reasonable and proportional response.

The database is a tool used with the intent of reporting those who, agreeably, have posted vile and disgusting remarks about Charlie Kirk's assassination in order to get them fired from their job. The morality of that intent is what's in question, in reference to the Biblical command and presupposition that work is necessary for one to be worthy of eating. Getting people fired, which will affect their household income and budgets (especially in a negative way in this current weak economy), for speech which hasn't murdered a victim is very extreme. There are other ways of dealing with hateful or vulgar speech besides using it to prevent others from providing for their dependents, which can, itself, lead to death.

As for the potential employment consequences of expressing vile opinions publicly, employment is an at-will relationship, meaning, both the employer and the employee are free to terminate it at any time, for any reason. Thus, biblically, if an employer discovers that one of their marketing employees has been publishing vile hatred online that could reflect on the company brand, they have every right to fire that person on the spot. In any configuration of conservative/liberal you choose. And the same goes even for employees that are not "front-facing" since the company's relationship to their employee is at-will. Maybe the employer is a Republican and they just don't want to be associating with someone who spews vile leftist hatred on their Twitter feed. Separating them from the company is a perfectly valid response. Same if the roles are reversed.

In the end, the only person responsible for getting fired for publishing vile opinions, is themselves. If they have children to feed, etc. that is an accounting that that individual will have to give to God. God himself will care for the children, Matt. 10:29-31, Matt. 18:10.

Though I agree that employers can fire employees at their discretion and prerogative, it seems a bit draconian to actively archive expressions of speech which are detestable, with the intent to share those expressions of speech with a given employer, in order to take away the person's means of income, without which the employer may have never known about those expressions. Yes, we all will give an account before God for our words, but we also need to have some measure of grace and wisdom in dealing with those who spew vile things online, understanding that the central problem is their heart, not their place of employment.
 
The database is a tool used with the intent of reporting those who, agreeably, have posted vile and disgusting remarks about Charlie Kirk's assassination in order to get them fired from their job.

No, you have misunderstood the intent of the site. The intent is that the published opinions of people expressing vile opinions about the public murder of Charlie Kirk in front of his wife and daughter can be aggregated in one place, so that anyone who wants to can check if someone they know has published such vile opinions. That can include employers, but it is not limited to employers.

The morality of that intent is what's in question, in reference to the Biblical command and presupposition that work is necessary for one to be worthy of eating.

You're reversing the sense of 2 Thess. 3:10 -- the logical implication is from non-work to non-eating. You're trying to affirm the converse, that is, you're trying to affirm the implication from (an assumed imperative of) eating to work. This is a compound fallacy, as you're assuming multiple facts not in evidence in 2 Thess. 3:10 (and, indeed, nowhere in Scripture). There is no imperative to eat. If you want to eat, you must work. If you do not work (and do not eat), that is your choice.

Getting people fired,

This is not biblical reasoning about moral causality. If you commit a crime, and I report your crime, I did not "cause you to be jailed", you caused yourself to be jailed by committing the crime.

In general, I am "anti-snitch", but snitching is taking information without consent. The consent here was already given by the individual publishing the information. This website is just an aggregation of that published information.

which will affect their household income and budgets (especially in a negative way in this current weak economy), for speech which hasn't murdered a victim is very extreme.

Yeah, I just absolutely disagree. In fact, I see your view on this as the extreme one.

There are other ways of dealing with hateful or vulgar speech besides using it to prevent others from providing for their dependents, which can, itself, lead to death.

Suppose, for a moment, that one of these purple-haired creatures have made spawn, despite the many ways they render themselves infertile, and suppose that they are actually working to feed that spawn (doubly unlikely). In the unlikely event that some child's parent lost their job as a result of publishing vile information online there are THREE remedies available to avoid "death": 1) Get another job even if at McDonalds. 2) Apply for unemployment / child-nutrition assistance. (That's supposedly what all this leftist "social justice" is for, right?) 3) Adopt the child to family or a Christian home. So, no, the idea that this is somehow an attack on children is itself a ludicrous and extreme view.

Though I agree that employers can fire employees at their discretion and prerogative, it seems a bit draconian to actively archive expressions of speech which are detestable,

Absolutely not draconian. Here is what Scripture says about speech:

"Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

(James 3:5-10)

See the highlighted portion, "these things OUGHT NOT so to be", that is, God in his word actively prohibits them.

It is for this reason that most Christian states in history have used the force of the magistrate to silence blasphemy of God, and other such vile speech in the public square. The reason that does not work is that you cannot use the methods of Satan to stop the message of Satan, see John 18:36.

There is a simple solution to the problem of ending up in a database like this: don't publish vile speech.

with the intent to share those expressions of speech with a given employer, in order to take away the person's means of income, without which the employer may have never known about those expressions.

The highlighted bit is negligible these days. Most large employers pay "corporate intelligence" companies to do social-media search on their employees and so anyone with any lick of sense should assume that their employer can indeed see what they put online.

Yes, we all will give an account before God for our words, but we also need to have some measure of grace and wisdom in dealing with those who spew vile things online, understanding that the central problem is their heart, not their place of employment.

This part I agree with. But you're not completing the thought all the way --- these kinds of things were once the primary domain of the church, not the State, and by banishing the church (by and large) from public life in our brave new "secular" world, we have taken away the regulatory mechanism that was suited to handling these kinds of issues with grace and wisdom. So, instead, you get merciless government and private technological measures. There is no grace in them. There is no discernment. They just judge without mercy. Kind of like the wrath of God...
 
The left wing terrorist attacks have to be stopped before they can happen.

We need to restore deterrence in our political system.

The way to do this is that these acts of terrorism can not be rewarded.

Corporations and small businesses can't be funding terrorists.

There can be no appeasement in our political system for terrorism.
 
Well, as much as I hate doxxing, I do hope that unemployment might allow time for these people to reflect on their world view.

(I will hold exactly 0 breaths waiting for that to happen for a leftist, but I will admit that taking a 16 month break from working in the hospital during COVID did me a WORLD of good)
 
Several of those people probably had to take down and delete these posts. Unfortunately for them, the internet is forever and people these days always keep the receipts.
 
What the Left has been doing, in terms of doxxing, is actually tracking down people's home addresses which they did not themselves publish, and publishing those. That's wrong because there is no consent.

This I absolutely agree with. But while I go all in on comparing what someone says today to what they said before to expose hypocrisy, much of this smells like the psyop selling conservatives on Palantir and their ilk.

Which shitlibs obviously already buy into lock, stock and barrel. This is just another example of conservatives conserving liberal bullshit. And...

The reason that does not work is that you cannot use the methods of Satan to stop the message of Satan, see John 18:36.
 
I guess all that crying about cancel culture was just sour grapes

Tolerating the destruction of one of the three pillars of western civilization is just letting your enemies cancel your culture.

So this is just the opposite of cancel culture.

(Citizens of western civilization must be free to):

1: ***Express their opinions without fear of retribution.***

2: ***Act as they see fit, within the bounds of the law, to ensure their freedom does not infringe upon others'.***

3: ***Pursue their own interests and goals to achieve self-fulfillment and contribute to the greater good.***
 
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The biggest problem with doxxing people is that if they are forced to drag around a stigma that will affect their employment/housing/relationship status for years to come will only force them deeper into groups that will accept them.

These organizations will be even easier to radicalize.
 
So this is just the opposite of cancel culture.

No it isn't.

How many times do I have to explain to you that we are the humans, we invented language to serve our own purposes, and we don't let ten cent chunks of laser etched sand use semantic games to redefine our terms for us?
 
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The biggest problem with doxxing people is that if they are forced to drag around a stigma that will affect their employment/housing/relationship status for years to come will only force them deeper into groups that will accept them.

These organizations will be even easier to radicalize.

You have to stop people from provoking terrorist attacks in order to prevent them though.

The only way to do that is to impose costs.

Otherwise people will encourage others to kill people just for expressing their opinion.
 
No it isn't.

How many times do I have to explain to you that we are the humans, we invented language to serve our own purposes, and we don't let ten cent chunks of paser etched sand use semantic games to redefine our terms for us?

We have already heard you say you hate our civilization because you have a grievance with it.

You have a conflict of interest when it comes to discussing what we want to protect because you dont want to protect it.

in 1777, Thomas Paine publishes one in a series of essays known as "The American Crisis." This particular essay was written the day after Americans lost a battle at Brandywine.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."

-Thomas Paine
 
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This I absolutely agree with. But while I go all in on comparing what someone says today to what they said before to expose hypocrisy, much of this smells like the psyop selling conservatives on Palantir and their ilk.

Which shitlibs obviously already buy into lock, stock and barrel. This is just another example of conservatives conserving liberal bullshit. And...

Yeah, I agree with that concern. However, it exists. So, do with that what you will. I think it's not immoral so long as it doesn't involve actual non-consensual doxxing. But not everything that is morally permissible is necessarily a good idea, especially at the civil/social level. For the time being, we're strapped into this grand social experiment whether we like it or not.... that expat life is looking more and more attractive to me by the day...
 
We have already heard you say you hate our civilization because you have a grievance with it.

Post your proof, obnoxious bot. You didn't hear jack; you have no ears. So, you can link the text. Quote it, so everyone can see how foul your misinterpretations are.

A fucking libelbot.
 
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The left wing terrorist attacks have to be stopped before they can happen.

We need to restore deterrence in our political system.

The way to do this is that these acts of terrorism can not be rewarded.

Corporations and small businesses can't be funding terrorists.

There can be no appeasement in our political system for terrorism.

@acptulsa : I think we just discovered the owner/operator of this bot... (promoting their other products, naturally)
 
I guess all that crying about cancel culture was just sour grapes

How is this cancel culture? Nobody is gang-stalking these individuals or mobbing their employers. The database contains an aggregation of public information that is searchable. How is aggregating publicly-available information "cancel culture"??
 
The biggest problem with doxxing people is that if they are forced to drag around a stigma that will affect their employment/housing/relationship status for years to come will only force them deeper into groups that will accept them.

These organizations will be even easier to radicalize.

I agree, that is a serious problem.

The solution (as Theocrat identified above) is to bring back the church as the body of people in our community who handles the corrective aspect of social regulation. The church is the correct instrument for things that are too wrong to be ignored, but not wrong enough to be civil crimes. "You shouldn't post things like that. You need to take it down and send an apology to XYZ for what you said. Also, you should make a post expressing proper condolences and thank God for the grace he has shown to you." Etc. That's one of the social roles of the church. But we have gutted the church, and so your only two options are the tyrannical nanny-State, or pure anarchy. There is no middle ground anymore.
 
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