Science: Point for Paul During Debate

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[Fermli]

He should bring up the indefinite detention act if anything. Viewers don't care about the higgs boson, sorry to say.

 

[Xenophage]

I would be very interested in seeing what you write up Unknown, regardless if it gets used by the campaign. How would you convincingly and succinctly connect the efforts to find the Higgs to fundamental freedom in a sound-bite manner that could actually be used during a debate?

 

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[sailingaway]

lol!

He should then bring up the biggest news from every field. He is going to be handling mega attacks, and explaining his position to those who have tuned in late. He doesn't need to go off topic.

I agree it is fascinating, it just isn't what the debate is for.

 

[Simple]

The recent developments in cold fusion could turn the energy sector on its head. It might change the world, particles having mass, not so much.

 

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[PieEconomics]

Strike while the iron is hot...

Ron Paul should bring up the latest developments in LENR (misnamed cold fusion) in tonight's debate.

On January 12, 2012, NASA acknowledged LENR in a video it posted.

Also, Rossi will be rolling out 1 million E-cat LENR home heating units, by next year. Each is expected to have a 30 year life, and cost about $500:

* having the size of a portable computer,
* can be recharged using (so called) energy sticks that fit with the ball point pen refill statement,
* having a simple replacement procedure that can be done by anyone,
* and having no H2 canisters used, since its reactor stores and recycles the H2.

Additionally, the control of the reactor will be simple and done through the regulation of an operational heat point. Its tank will have a capacity of storing fuel that can last for 4,320 hours.

This amount involves using the E-Cat for 180 days, at 24 hours a day of operation. Conveniently, the Rossi energy catalyzer device will give out a signal as soon as a refill is needed. Customers of the heating and cooling E-Cat devices can order the refills and keep them in stock easily, through online orders. It is estimated that the cost of the refill will be $10 aside from the installation cost. Since replacement is simple, customers can do away with this installation cost.

The first candidate that brings this up at a debate, will win many extra votes. While Romney briefly mentioned the technology to some reporters a month or so ago, who will be the first to break through the mainstream media blackout in a big way?

 

[impaleddead]

....Yeah sure like your average South Carolinian republican knows what the higgs boson is.

 

[wowrevolution]

Do not. There was no Higgs Boson discovery. Its another false call. The Higgs Boson is fairy dust magic and doesn't exist. Its soul purpose is to serve a particle counterpart to Dark Matter which Los Alamos National Laboratories have debunked for decades. We shouldn't get caught up in the pseudo-Science of the Big Bangers. It would invalidate the campaign. We should stick with the Plasma Physics folk over at Los Alamos. We start acting like Old Earth Creationists we'll be the laughing stock of the wider scientific community.

Jazz & fanfare of the Big Bangers & Higgs folk is just that. Jazz Fingers and a Parade of ignorance. We need to stick to real experimental science. The last thing we want is Dr. Paul going around expressing belief in Fairy Dust & Neutronium and Invisible matter and other non-sense. We should maintain a scientific and an experimentally verifiable approach. Do not go on these unicorn hunting expeditions.

 

[wowrevolution]

Dr. Paul should however toss some bones out to the Scientific Community.

He should advocate withdraw from the Outer Space Treaty and promote the Orion Rocket like he's been doing since the 80s and remind people of the efforts of the L5 Society.

 

[PieEconomics]

LENR is not Higgs Boson. In addition to the above linked video put out by NASA on January 12, 2012, a recent Freedom of Information Request outed three slide shows from NASA acknowledging that LENR is real.

 

[ZENemy]

NDAA!
SOPA!

And now the NEW one on the block, the Enemy ex patriot act.

http://tinyurl.com/7thcxad

 

[The Free Hornet]

While Romney briefly mentioned the technology to some reporters a month or so ago, who will be the first to break through the mainstream media blackout in a big way?

-1. This looks like a scam:

Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer


Edit: added from Wiki

Rossi and Focardi say the device works by infusing heated hydrogen into nickel, transmuting it into copper and producing heat.[7][8] An international patent application[9] has received an unfavorable international preliminary report on patentability because it seemed to "offend against the generally accepted laws of physics and established theories" and to overcome this problem the application should have contained either experimental evidence or a firm theoretical basis in current scientific theories.

It would be great if real, but this is the LAST thing you tie a campaign too. The prior Higgs-Boson mention was fine. If Higgs-Boson is bunk, it won't be dubunked for a long, long time. Besides, Christians like it as the "god particle".

 

[fatjohn]

Dr. Paul should however toss some bones out to the Scientific Community.

He should advocate withdraw from the Outer Space Treaty and promote the Orion Rocket like he's been doing since the 80s and remind people of the efforts of the L5 Society.

This!!! I was amazed to find out he promotes the Orion Rocket. That would be an amazing development.

For those not knowing. The Orion rocket is a design made in the 50s and 60s where a rocket is propelled by a series of nuclear explosions. The energy of the explosions is transfered to the vehicle with a mass damper. It would be many times more efficient than current chemical rockets and woul open up orbital energy facilities, deep space travel to at least the gravitational focal point of the Sun at 550 AU and lunar, lagrangian and martian bases.

Test with chemical explosions.

 

[Bodhi]

You mention a "3 sigma discovery", how many people in SC (or anywhere for that matter) even know what that means? Probably less than 0.1%

I don't think a conversation in particle physics would be the way to go, or any discussion on science really. The people care about and need answers on subjects like the economy and foreign policy. While I personally find new discoveries in physics interesting, it would not go over very well in the debates.

 

[PastaRocket848]

The recent developments in cold fusion could turn the energy sector on its head. It might change the world, particles having mass, not so much.

Couldn't possibly be more wrong. Think what has happened in the ~100 years since we've gained knowledge and control of the electron. We'd literally be writing with quills under oil lamps were it not for that. The Higgs is the same. Initially it seems insignificant just knowing something is there (it is actually very significant for that reason alone), but imagine in 50 years when we can control them. Mass will be decoupled from other properties in, say, structural materials. There is nothing more world-changing than that, atleast since the aforementioned electron discovery.

And that doesn't even begin to cover its implications on a theoretical level.

 

[Simple]

What recent develops in cold fusion are you referring to? I must have missed something...

Sorry I missed this, nickel reacts with hydrogen to produce copper and the supposedly causes more heat to be produced than the reaction requires. I'm not sure how they square this with conservation of energy, but it seems to be working from everything I've read.

News source: http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2012/01/06/opinion/doc4f067013eebca165410177.txt

Scientific source: http://www.fysik.org/WebSite/fragelada/resurser/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf

 

[Bodhi]

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