S.C. grants certiorari in Moore vs United States ... meaning of direct tax

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See: Five things to know about the Supreme Court’s grant of certiorari in Moore v. United States

The Taxpayers’ Arguments.

The taxpayers argued that the section 965 transition tax is an unapportioned direct tax that is not an income tax, thus violating the Apportionment Clause.


And just what is the meaning of a direct tax as understood by our Founders?

As an advocate in adopting the Constitution, James Wilson (who was a prominent delegate to the Constitutional Convention) pointed out during Pennsylvania’s ratification debates that:

“In this Constitution, a power is given to Congress to collect imposts [an indirect type of tax], which is not given by the present Articles of Confederation. A very considerable part of the revenue of the United States will arise from that source; it is the easiest, most just, and most productive method of raising revenue; and it is a safe one, because it is voluntary. No man is obliged to consume more than he pleases, and each buys in proportion only to his consumption." Elliots VOL II, page 467, Wilson

And this very characteristic identifying an indirect tax as a voluntary payment when buying articles of consumption, is again articulated, and more in depth during the Connecticut State Ratification debates by Oliver Ellsworth, who provides the following characteristics distinguishing a direct tax from one which is indirect.

January 7, 1788. [On this Power of Congress to lay Taxes.]

”Direct taxation can go but little way towards raising a revenue. To raise money in this way, people must be provident; they must constantly be laying up money to answer the demands of the collector. But you cannot make people thus provident. If you would do any thing to the purpose, you must come in when they are spending, and take a part with them. This does not take away the tools of a man’s business, or the necessary utensils of his family: it only comes in when he is taking his pleasure, and feels generous; when he is laying out a shilling for superfluities, it takes twopence of it for public use, and the remainder will do him as much good as the whole.”

Ellsworth goes on to note:

“The experiments, which have been made in our own country, show the productive nature of indirect taxes. The imports into the United States amount to a very large sum. They never will be less, but will continue to increase for centuries to come. As the population of our country increases, the imports will necessarily increase. They will increase, because our citizens will choose to be farmers; living independently on their freeholds, rather than to be manufacturers, and work for a groat a day.”

”On the other hand, direct taxes are not voluntary, nor, in general, are they avoidable. And with respect to direct taxes, the anti-federalist minority of the Convention of Pennsylvania warned that direct taxation “…is a tax that, however oppressive in its nature, and unequal in its operation, is certain as to its produce and simple in its collection; it cannot be evaded like the objects of imposts or excise …” ___ See Connecticut ratification debates Elliot’s VOL II, page 191, Ellsworth

So, a few characteristics which define an indirect tax are, it is voluntarily paid during the taxpayer’s consumption, and safe because no man is obliged to consume more than he pleases, and such a tax are costs added by government to things which individuals are free to acquired or reject, while direct taxes are those which are assessed to the individual by government, are oppressive, and not avoidable.


Seems to me the Moores' have a very, very good case, and one which is supported by our Founders' meaning of a direct tax.

JWK


If, by calling a tax indirect when it is essentially direct, the rule of protection [apportionment] could be frittered away, one of the great landmarks defining the boundary between the nation and the states of which it is composed, would have disappeared, and with it one of the bulwarks of private rights and private property. POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895) JUSTICE FULLER
 
“In this Constitution, a power is given to Congress to collect

One can stop right there to see that taxation=theft.

The important question becomes, do you condone theft, and the theft of others?


I can homestead an area of land which is not owned by anybody and make that plot mine. Another person can do the same 10 miles away. Do I have the right to tell my son to go to that person and demand that he pay me for a road that I want/need, even if he doesn't have use for, or use the road at all?

What about birth control? Or internet service for others?

Does theft become moral, or standard and acceptable if it benefits you, or your personal views on what you think should be paid for by others?
 
The 16th was never fully ratified.

There is a lot of smoke surrounding the circumstances of its ratification. Does it amount to fire? I'm not sure. But lots of smoke, for sure. The Deep State has been at this for a long time... a very long time...
 
Was our nation's first revenue raising act "theft"?

JWK

“…a national revenue must be obtained; but the system must be such a one, that, while it secures the object of revenue it shall not be oppressive to our constituents.”___ ___Madison, during the creation of our Nation’s first revenue raising Act

Absolutely.

There were quite a few Founders and Revolutionaries who said and promised 1 thing prior to the ratification of the Constitution.

And then did a complete 180 once the Constitution was ratified.

Hamilton is probably the most well known Judas goat, POS, sellout.

Looks like Madison was another.
 
Whiskey Rebellion.

Imagine the shock when the men who just got done fighting a war over taxation were now being subject to the same thing.

The new boss looking a lot like the old boss.
 
There is a lot of smoke surrounding the circumstances of its ratification. Does it amount to fire? I'm not sure. But lots of smoke, for sure. The Deep State has been at this for a long time... a very long time...

They literally never stop.

Our first central bank, spearheaded by that ****** Hamilton, the Bank of North America, was a private, for profit bank.

Private ownership was a requirement of the bank.

And every US central bank since then has been a private for profit institution, openly declared as much.
 

Not one dime was raised under our nation's first revenue raising act from internal taxation.


In any event, getting back to the subject of the thread, Moore vs United States,, here we are today with our federal government violating our constitution's provisions regarding taxation.

 
They literally never stop.

Our first central bank, spearheaded by that ****** Hamilton, the Bank of North America, was a private, for profit bank.

Private ownership was a requirement of the bank.

And every US central bank since then has been a private for profit institution, openly declared as much.

:100:

Their time is coming.

"Thou shalt not steal"

We laugh and joke about the government stealing, etc. etc. but the reality is that everything is operating either under ecclesiastical law (the church) or Mosaic law. Take your pick, US government. Choose wisely, and keep in mind:

"You are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." (Exodus 21:23,24)

"Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." (Deuteronomy 19:21)

"I will deal with them according to their conduct, and by their own standards I will judge them. Then they will know that I am the Lord." (Ezekiel 7:27)
 
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