Ruh-Roh. Economic MELTDOWN today...

Ok, gang. I need some advice. I'm investing in silver right now, and I need to get some input on which is best: Should I buy .999 fine bullion, or should I go for a few bags of the old 90% silver coins ($100 face value = roughly 71 oz of silver)?

I'd buy Liberty Dollars if they weren't raided by the FBI =(

I'd go for the bullion, but I'm no expert.

Sell your stocks and buy gold. They won't be going up for a long while, cut your losses. Our trading deficit is terrible. If we get a recession, we damn well better have a national holiday declared when stocks head upwards. If we get a depression, we'll be lucky. If it becomes the worst global economy in recorded history, I won't be surprised.
 
It will be interesting to see how the Fed reacts -- especially the FMOC and the Plunge Protection Team.

My $0.02 on investment advice:

1. Move out of stocks and bonds
2. Liquidate your IRA and 401(k) and take the tax hit
3. Buy gold as bullion coins and/or vaulted bullion
4. Buy agricultural commodities (corn, wheat, etc), either as futures or ETFs
5. Move out of US dollars and into commodity-based currencies like the Canadian, Australian or New Zealand dollars. The Euro or Swiss Franc would be my second choice.
6. Avoid silver and platinum; they are mostly industrial metals, and might take a hit in the recession
7. Avoid oil companies in the short term -- oil use will go down in a recession, and the price will likely follow.
8. If you have a big mortgage and still have some equity left, sell your house and move into a rental. Not pleasant, I know, but you'll come out ahead in the long run. House prices are likely to be going down for a long time.
9. Don't buy into the end-of-the-world scenarios. Even in the most inflation-ridden countries in the world, they still use money. The chances of returning to a barter system any time soon are very very low.

I've followed my own advice, and have done very well over the last few months. My overall portfolio has been up even over the last few weeks, in spite of the market decline.
 
What I'm hoping is that you're not trying to purposely bringing down the US dollar by abandoning it. Because if that's what your, probably accidentally, doing then aren't you guys just making things worse?

Of course a few people doing this won't making much of a difference but still.

Just Curious.
 
What I'm hoping is that you're not trying to purposely bringing down the US dollar by abandoning it. Because if that's what your, probably accidentally, doing then aren't you guys just making things worse?

Of course a few people doing this won't making much of a difference but still.

Just Curious.

Of course not. The size of the foreign exchange market is HUGE -- trillions of dollars. It's much bigger than the stock market. That's like saying that I'm intentionally trying to bring down Microsoft by selling a few shares, only even more so -- individuals operating in the currency markets will have basically zero effect. The market is driven by central banks and multi-billion dollar investment funds, not by individuals.
 
we need to get quotes from the other candidates saying that the economy is fine, and string 'em together into a youtube vid. Then add Ron's stance at the end. Then digg the hell out of it to try and spread the message.

Bump.
 
1. Move out of stocks and bonds
2. Liquidate your IRA and 401(k) and take the tax hit
4. Buy agricultural commodities (corn, wheat, etc), either as futures or ETFs
Why not just buy the ETFs in your 401k?
5. Move out of US dollars and into commodity-based currencies like the Canadian, Australian or New Zealand dollars. The Euro or Swiss Franc would be my second choice.
What commodities are these currencies backed by? I thought most currencies these days were fiat money.
8. If you have a big mortgage and still have some equity left, sell your house and move into a rental. Not pleasant, I know, but you'll come out ahead in the long run. House prices are likely to be going down for a long time.
This is true if we have a depression/deflation scenario. If we instead have a hyperinflation scenario - in this case (assuming you have some source of income that keeps pace with inflation), you could quickly own your house outright, whereas rents would presumably keep pace with inflation. I think with Ben Bernanke in charge of the Fed, he is much more likely to try to inflate us out of our current situation.
 
I'm ready for this. got several five-gallon jugs of water in the garage and a cooler to use them in, just stocked up on food and dog food yesterday, plenty of duct tape and tools, lots of old coins and silver certificates, an M1 Garand, and couple boxes of .30-'06. That is, of course, standard disaster readiness considering that my town likes to flood from time to time and I live on a hill. It'd have to get REALLY bad for us to need most of that stuff.

Anybody think it'll actually pan out into a SHTF scenario?
 
Why not just buy the ETFs in your 401k?

If you have full control over investments in your 401k, that's fine. In my case, I was required to choose from a collection of mutual funds...


What commodities are these currencies backed by? I thought most currencies these days were fiat money.

Sorry, "commodity currencies" is an industry term. It means that the economies of those countries are driven primarily by commodities, not that the currencies are backed by a commodity. NZ, for example, is largely an agricultural economy and they export a lot of lumber, etc.


This is true if we have a depression/deflation scenario. If we instead have a hyperinflation scenario - in this case (assuming you have some source of income that keeps pace with inflation), you could quickly own your house outright, whereas rents would presumably keep pace with inflation. I think with Ben Bernanke in charge of the Fed, he is much more likely to try to inflate us out of our current situation.

I agree that Bernanke will inflate. However, remember that the Fed's real purpose in life is to protect the big banks. I would be very surprised if they don't find a way to force effective re-issuance of mortgages at some point.

They key issue here, though, is that house prices are likely to be going down for a long time to come. Moving into a rental will at least help you preserve your equity. What good is paying off your mortgage if your equity vanishes first?
 
Sell my house? WTF? These have to be some of the dumbest things i have heard for some time now, how about take care of your jobs? take your vitamins and pay off your debts? Jesus you need to relax a bit!
 
Sell my house? WTF? These have to be some of the dumbest things i have heard for some time now, how about take care of your jobs? take your vitamins and pay off your debts? Jesus you need to relax a bit!

Why do you think that it's a dumb idea to want to preserve the equity in your house?

Are you saying that you think it's unlikely that house prices will go down? Have you looked at the housing market lately?
 
Why do you think that it's a dumb idea to want to preserve the equity in your house?

Are you saying that you think it's unlikely that house prices will go down? Have you looked at the housing market lately?

selling a house would have been genius, 2 years ago. where i live in sacramento, the official statistics show median prices and avg price/sq. foot are already down over 25%. ouch. i'm expecting a 50% total decline. still, i suppose selling now if you can is better than selling later.
 
selling a house would have been genius, 2 years ago.

That's when I sold.


where i live in sacramento, the official statistics show median prices and avg price/sq. foot are already down over 25%. ouch. i'm expecting a 50% total decline. still, i suppose selling now if you can is better than selling later.

Prices are a lagging indicator. There's good evidence to believe that prices could continue to go down for as long as the next 10 yrs, to levels at or below where they were before the housing boom. I'm not sure what its like in Sacramento, but in Silicon Valley, prices of many homes have more than tripled in the last 10 to 12 yrs.
 
>_<; I dunno what to do..

I need a car bad, need to make money but the economy is collapsing...

How much will the dollar drop tomorrow?
 
My advice for what it is worth.

REDUCE YOUR DEBT DRASTICALLY

SPEND LOTS LESS THEN YOU EARN

RETAIN YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYMENT

This is the quick n easy formula for people of less means like myself.
 
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