RPI on the current Israel bombing of Syria

[sailingaway]

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archive...li-bombs-over-syria.aspx#.UYXOIB_xUEU.twitter

 

[supermario21]

See, this is where I would get a bit irritated with Ron and some of his people. Israel is a sovereign nation, and can do whatever she wants. It's us constantly going into battle at their side which is what's wrong.

 

[mz10]

See, this is where I would get a bit irritated with Ron and some of his people. Israel is a sovereign nation, and can do whatever she wants. It's us constantly going into battle at their side which is what's wrong.

Agreed. I think Ron always means well, but he trusts his old friends too much. That's where the newsletters came from, and that's where stuff like this comes from.

I don't think Israel is doing the right thing either, but it's none of our damn business what they do.

 

[sailingaway]

That is what is being said in that article, I believe, that Obama is cooperating with it. But I wouldn't use the polarizing language, I do wish the language used could be less in a tone of one side or the other. I'm thinking the person he has who is knowlegable just uses that stylistic method, and I think it is a shame because it will turn off half the population, much as I think conservative red meat, when conservatives throw it, turns off the other half. Ron doesn't do that, and I wish those working for his organizations would borrow his tone, not try to 'improve' on it.

Rumors being reported that Assad might be about to declare war at 5 am but I never heard of this periodical, and they are citing internet rumors. "Assad "to declare war" on Israel following fresh airstrikes" http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3447/assad_to_declare_war_on_israel_following_fresh_airstrikes

 

[supermario21]

I wish Dan McAdams was more professional. Mocking the battle, using the word neocon excessively, poor grammar, using derogatory language like Bibi-istas. I mean there's merit to nonintervention, but stuff like this makes us look trivial and childish. I'm a fan of the institute but it really doesn't have much polish to it at this point. It just seems like what lewrockwell.com would be as another institute. I go on LRC and read the essays almost religiously, but I am hoping for a higher standard that really sways minds, not just plays to the base.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm sure Dan McAdams is professional in the sense of being an expert on the material. I don't prefer the style myself, but that's a pretty harsh attack on Ron's institute you just rolled out.

 

[supermario21]

I'm not trying to attack it! I just am coming from the perspective of trying to attract more people to liberty. Does bashing Israel come as a requirement? Should it? Like I said, I'm a fan of the mission of the institute, but anyone with an open mind will read that and either laugh or think the people there are anti-Semites. Then morons like Frum can push their articles on how we're a bunch of crank racists just hiding our views behind the veil of liberty. Ron wants to educate people. Great, let's educate people on respecting sovereign nations and letting them make up their OWN minds, without us playing world's policeman and referee.

 

[TaftFan]

This is turning into the "Daniel McAdams Institute" real quick I've noticed....for better or worse.

 

[sailingaway]

This is turning into the "Daniel McAdams Institute" real quick I've noticed....for better or worse.

There have been pieces by other people in the last few days, but I think he is the day to day director. Others are more periodic contributors.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm not trying to attack it! I just am coming from the perspective of trying to attract more people to liberty. Does bashing Israel come as a requirement? Should it? Like I said, I'm a fan of the mission of the institute, but anyone with an open mind will read that and either laugh or think the people there are anti-Semites. Then morons like Frum can push their articles on how we're a bunch of crank racists just hiding our views behind the veil of liberty. Ron wants to educate people. Great, let's educate people on respecting sovereign nations and letting them make up their OWN minds, without us playing world's policeman and referee.

It sounds like you are the first to make that argument, not Frum. Why do you do that?

It is kind of hard to discuss Israel bombing Syria without discussing Israel.

I already commented on preferring neutral language. That part I agree with, it detracts and polarizes.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

This is turning into the "Daniel McAdams Institute" real quick I've noticed....for better or worse.

He's been Ron's chief foreign policy advisor for over a decade. Get over it.

See, this is where I would get a bit irritated with Ron and some of his people. Israel is a sovereign nation, and can do whatever she wants. It's us constantly going into battle at their side which is what's wrong.

Agreed. I think Ron always means well, but he trusts his old friends too much. That's where the newsletters came from, and that's where stuff like this comes from.

I don't think Israel is doing the right thing either, but it's none of our damn business what they do.

1. Name the government agency, foreign policy apparatus, or military division Ron Paul heads, and what operational control he has in said branch.

2. As someone who values peace, the actions taken by Israel are likely to result in greater American involvement in the Syrian issue. To the extent that this occurs, it is certainly my business. Additionally, since I value peace, I (as can Daniel McAdams) can reject any sanctioned forms of violence, such as the Israeli bombing in Syria, and speak out against it freely.

 

[supermario21]

It sounds like you are the first to make that argument, not Frum. Why do you do that?

Because I've seen the media treat Ron and his ventures like shit for 4 years, that's why. The day Ron's institute opened there were hit pieces on the Daily Caller and the Daily Beast echoing the same warning signs I've put out in this thread. I want the goals of the institute to succeed just as much as I'm sure you do, as well as Ron. Israel bashing in the tone they are isn't the way to do that. Criticize the action? Sure, do that. But don't use derogatory terms, call them warmongers, use "Bibi-istas," etc...That's just an invitation for the hacks to come out and call us racists and distract the goals of the institute. Why not say something like "this is a regional conflict between sovereign nations and Israel does not need American assistance to carry out their missions?"

 

[sailingaway]

On the one hand I don't like the snark either, but conflating it with 'racism' is a really weird reach and you do it repeatedly.

 

[supermario21]

And I'll go ahead and update this. Those views are Daniel McAdams's. It's a blog post he wrote on lewrockwell.com. I'll also say I'm not trying to push any racist meme. In fact, by encouraging the Israeli peace movement at the end, it should diffuse any claim of anti-semitism. I'm just extremely fearful and cautious that's why I've said racism, I disagree with those negative sentiments people may express entirely.

 

[Cowlesy]

That was a sophomoric piece full of speculation on flim-flam news report excerpts from Washington Post.

I guess I had a hope that the Ron Paul Institute would produce scholarly work that at least somewhat empirically showcased how his foreign policy is a wiser choice for our society. I've read a few decent items, but they always seem to be grumbling.

If it's just going to be more crunchy blogging about the terrible items about war, well I can read antiwar.com or lewrockwell.com for that.

I think it's too foggy to know what's going on in Syria right now without people there doing actual reporting. Leave speculations to blogs, not an Institute.

/my own grumble

 

[RickyJ]

Loved the article, I agreed with just about all of it except the very last part when he blames the CIA created group Al-Queda for 9/11.

 

[pcosmar]

Non-intervention is a nice fantasy. It is NOT reality however.
The reality is that we are presently funding and supporting the overthrow of another country. Israel is Not acting alone,, those are US jets and munitions,, and very likely real time satellite intel provided by our tax dollars.

This will affect us,,each and every one of us. not that we really have any say about it at all.

 

[puppetmaster]

See, this is where I would get a bit irritated with Ron and some of his people. Israel is a sovereign nation, and can do whatever she wants. It's us constantly going into battle at their side which is what's wrong.

why do certain countries get female titles by certain people?

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Non-intervention is a nice fantasy. It is NOT reality however.
The reality is that we are presently funding and supporting the overthrow of another country. Israel is Not acting alone,, those are US jets and munitions,, and very likely real time satellite intel provided by our tax dollars.

This will affect us,,each and every one of us. not that we really have any say about it at all.

Plus rep. Excellent post.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Some people are absurd. The Anti-Semite meme is pushed quite effectively through the MSM talking parrots that you indeed parrot yourselves. Being here, I always held hope that you saw through the typical bullshit. Apparently I should not have. Criticism of Israel = Anti-Semite? Or that's just how you think "we'll" (whatever that hell that means, anyways) be portrayed? I got some news for you, the truth will be slandered no matter what.

I might actually find myself supporting a modern day Uganda proposal. So long as we would ship all of the Israel firsters there. If words could properly describe how annoyed I get with this mindset that nothing but sweet nothings be allowed to be whispered about Israel. Fuck Israel.

Slander my name as an Anti-Semite. I could not care less. Lest you forget to mention that many rabbis agree with me.