Ron Paul supporter attacked and then charged with murder!!

[hopeforamerica]

In AZ, one of our faithful supporters was out hanging sings in January. A drunk driver tried to drag him out of his car and attacked him. The rest of the details have not come out, but the attacker was killed. Now our supporter has been charged with murder! Please see this video interview of his fiance:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/3tvextra-index.html?nvid=242351

 

[belian78]

is there a written story about this? cant view the vid at work.

 

[MelissaWV]

I can't view the vid either... a drunk driver tried to pull a man out of his car huh? Then he wasn't driving, or...? I'm confused at the scenario. How was the supporter hanging signs when he was in his car, and how was someone a drunk driver when they weren't in their car, and who was killed and.... what happened again?

 

[yongrel]

Until we know the whole story, I'm reserving judgment.

 

[slamhead]

It is legal to carry a firearm in your car in AZ given it is in plain sight. I venture a guess that this man protected his 1st with his 2nd.

 

[rprprs]

I can't view the vid either... a drunk driver tried to pull a man out of his car huh? Then he wasn't driving, or...? I'm confused at the scenario. How was the supporter hanging signs when he was in his car, and how was someone a drunk driver when they weren't in their car, and who was killed and.... what happened again?

Melissa,

Per the vid, the supporter and his girlfriend HAD been out hanging signs and were driving home when they were attacked by the drunk driver. The vid gives no reason WHY they were attacked. A LOT more info is needed.

 

[zadrock]

This happened back in January. Whether the attack is related to him being a Ron Paul supporter is unclear.

the fiancee spoke a lot about the torture that the inmates undergo at the hands of the guards. Apparently, the inmates are made to suffer from oxygen deprivation before court appearances. If true, this is completely outrageous!

Z

 

[RonPaulGuyEastWA]

I can't view the vid either... a drunk driver tried to pull a man out of his car huh? Then he wasn't driving, or...? I'm confused at the scenario. How was the supporter hanging signs when he was in his car, and how was someone a drunk driver when they weren't in their car, and who was killed and.... what happened again?

I watched the video. They were out hanging Ron Paul signs. After they were done, they were driving home and stopped at a stop light. At that light, a road-raged drunk driver got out of his car and tried to attack the guy and drag him out of his car. At that point, deadly force was used by the man to protect himself from the drunk attacker.

Of course we don't know all the facts, but it sounds justified to me. Self-defense should never be a crime.

The most interesting part of the video is the lady describing how in the jail they put 90+ inmates in a small sealed room and don't open the door until they start running out of oxygen. Apparently this is a tactic before suspects appear in court. The lack of oxygen for extended periods of time makes them confused and makes them appear "not all there" in court.

 

[Primbs]

Some have said it is better to be tried by a jury of your peers than to be carried to your grave by six friends.

We still have the right of self defense.

 

[JMann]

In AZ, one of our faithful supporters was out hanging sings in January. A drunk driver tried to drag him out of his car and attacked him. The rest of the details have not come out, but the attacker was killed. Now our supporter has been charged with murder! Please see this video interview of his fiance:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/3tvextra-index.html?nvid=242351

this summary is written by a public school grad.

 

[hopeforamerica]

this summary is written by a public school grad.

Gee, thanks for your support. Do you think that I may be a little outraged that one of my fellow supporters is going through this? This is why I posted the video link for your reference.

 

[JMann]

I'm 100% supporter of the second amendment. With that said, if you are actually stupid enough to carry a gun you better damn well not use it unless someone else pulls a gun on you.

If someone is threating to kick your ass this does not give you the right to use deadly force. We don't know the facts of this case but it appears like this guy is the reason the gun control people have an argument that people listen to.

 

[hillertexas]

I'm 100% supporter of the second amendment. With that said, if you are actually stupid enough to carry a gun you better damn well not use it unless someone else pulls a gun on you.

If someone is threating to kick your ass this does not give you the right to use deadly force. We don't know the facts of this case but it appears like this guy is the reason the gun control people have an argument that people listen to.

Granted we don't know the facts, but I doubt the drunk driver was like "I'm gonna kick your ass". The RP supporter might have truly thought the lives of himself and his girlfriend were at risk. For example, let's say the girlfriend was alone in their house at night and an unarmed intruder enters. He busts is the bedroom door where she is. She has a gun and shoots the intruder. Can she be charged with murder if his intention was just to rape her? How is the attackee supposed to know the intention of the attacker? How is the attackee supposed to know if the attacker has a gun or not? It seems to me that if the attackee believes his/her life is in danger, any force (deadly included) is justified as self defense.

Maybe I'm not getting it because I live in Texas ... different laws?

 

[RonPaulGuyEastWA]

I think I'll reserve further judgement until more facts come out. Appearances aren't everything but this video has a picture of the suspect and he doesn't look like an angel to me.

http://www.abc15.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5a6cde3f-3314-4ce5-873d-204d9cb4db81

According to that story (the dead man's wife's side), both men got out of their cars after an altercation and one guy shot the other in the face then fled in his car. He was followed by witnesses and apprehended quickly.

The story at http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2008/04/10/20080410stuart0410.html gives some more clarification. Witnesses said the drunk driver reached into Stuart's car to grab him prior to being shot. The drunk driver had a BAC of .19. This story also says Stuart was re-arrested after filing "false documents" but it appears he filed a document that he prepared himself instead of his attorney and that means it's "false." I had trouble following the logic but that's what I got out of it.

Narrative from his meetup group is at http://ronpaul.meetup.com/7/calendar/7883084/ .

 

[dannno]

Maybe I'm not getting it because I live in Texas ... different laws?

 

[pinkmandy]

this summary is written by a public school grad.

Be that as it may, what good comes of criticizing the education of other RP supporters? None. Not many kids were given a choice in how or where they were educated. Some of us have been out of public school long enough to educate ourselves. Others have not. Year by year the schools have gotten worse. The lack of education hole I had to dig myself out of wasn't as deep as some more recent graduates. That isn't their fault so give them some time. Kindly suggesting some reading material would be more productive than making fun.

In the end, we are all at different places on our own paths. We're ALL a work in progress.

 

[Kade]

this summary is written by a public school grad.

Reading a home school friendly newspaper?

Reading into the articles, including this and this, I'm going to take the John Adams route here and proclaim this as inane manslaughter, bordering on outright murder.

"Stuart shot Beasley once in the forehead, fled the scene and was arrested shortly afterward."

Innocent men don't run. Right. I'm not supporting this clown.

 

[LibertyOfOne]

The man should not have initiated force against someone. When someone does that they give up all their rights. Going by the video it was not a mere threat of force, but actual force.

 

[JMann]

Granted we don't know the facts, but I doubt the drunk driver was like "I'm gonna kick your ass". The RP supporter might have truly thought the lives of himself and his girlfriend were at risk. For example, let's say the girlfriend was alone in their house at night and an unarmed intruder enters. He busts is the bedroom door where she is. She has a gun and shoots the intruder. Can she be charged with murder if his intention was just to rape her? How is the attackee supposed to know the intention of the attacker? How is the attackee supposed to know if the attacker has a gun or not? It seems to me that if the attackee believes his/her life is in danger, any force (deadly included) is justified as self defense.

Maybe I'm not getting it because I live in Texas ... different laws?

These are all things you think about PRIOR to deciding to carry a gun. You best be damn well justified in using deadly force. The government uses the death penalty in very rare cases and if you as an individual decide to carry out the death penalty you better make sure the t's are crossed and the i's dotted.

In my part of the country we had a guy shoot a kid after the kid broke into the garage. When the homeowner confronted the guy the criminal ran. The man shot the intruder in the back as he was running away. This isn't self defense.

I support anyone that wants to carry a gun but the right to carry a gun means that you should fully understand that you should never use it unless you life is in immediate danger.

The kid in this story may be found to be justified in using his weapon. He may also be the kind of people that joke about not ever f'ing with him cause bust a cap in your ass.

Sad case I'm sure for everyone. The shooter's life will never be the same and the drunk guy that got the death penalty for public intoxication isn't around no more.

 

[Dave39168]

More info is needed. Could have been self defense. I know in Mississippi we have a "castle doctrine" and it applies to one's home as well as their vehicles. If you are attacked in your "castle" deadly force is justified. Why would the guy flee the scene though, that is not a good sign. If he felt he had broke no laws he should have waited on the law to arrive instead of driving home. A BAC of .19 shows the other guy was pretty trashed though and I bet his wife was too since he was driving her. So wife's account could lack credibility based on that. More info is definately needed here.