Ron Paul Suing LA-GOP (2008)

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I was a delegate in Louisiana who was not selected due to the LA-GOP reopening the process after it had closed. The LA-GOP also failed or refused to count all the votes and slated the PLPF bunch to specifically defeat us.

For those reasons and others, we are suing the LA-GOP, I just signed on as one of the class action Plaintiffs.
 
Good deal...this movement is inspriring. When you think about it collectively we are challenging all that is wrong with our country processes, things we only thought of doing previously, yet combined together with assests we make an impact.
 
I'm hoping we can tie it back to the RNC, and hit them with a RICO conspiracy under title 42 USC 1985.

42 USC Sec. 1985 01/16/96

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE
CHAPTER 21 - CIVIL RIGHTS
SUBCHAPTER I - GENERALLY

-HEAD-
Sec. 1985. Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights

-STATUTE-
(1) Preventing officer from performing duties
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to
prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from
accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence
under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof; or
to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave
any State, district, or place, where his duties as an officer are
required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or
property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his
office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to
injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede
him in the discharge of his official duties;
(2) Obstructing justice; intimidating party, witness, or juror
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to
deter, by force, intimidation, or threat, any party or witness in
any court of the United States from attending such court, or from
testifying to any matter pending therein, freely, fully, and
truthfully, or to injure such party or witness in his person or
property on account of his having so attended or testified, or to
influence the verdict, presentment, or indictment of any grand or
petit juror in any such court, or to injure such juror in his
person or property on account of any verdict, presentment, or
indictment lawfully assented to by him, or of his being or having
been such juror; or if two or more persons conspire for the purpose
of impeding, hindering, obstructing, or defeating, in any manner,
the due course of justice in any State or Territory, with intent to
deny to any citizen the equal protection of the laws, or to injure
him or his property for lawfully enforcing, or attempting to
enforce, the right of any person, or class of persons, to the equal
protection of the laws;
(3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go
in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another, for the
purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or
class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal
privileges and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of
preventing or hindering the constituted authorities of any State or
Territory from giving or securing to all persons within such State
or Territory the equal protection of the laws; or if two or more
persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any
citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support
or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election
of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or
Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or
to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such
support or advocacy; in any case of conspiracy set forth in this
section, if one or more persons engaged therein do, or cause to be
done, any act in furtherance of the object of such conspiracy,
whereby another is injured in his person or property, or deprived
of having and exercising any right or privilege of a citizen of the
United States, the party so injured or deprived may have an action
for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or
deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.

RICO civil conspiracy defined:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/lit08.htm
 
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Read Torchbearer's thread "This May Be the Rule....."

I'm hoping we can tie it back to the RNC, and hit them with a RICO conspiracy under title 42 USC 1985.

42 USC Sec. 1985 01/16/96

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE
CHAPTER 21 - CIVIL RIGHTS
SUBCHAPTER I - GENERALLY

-HEAD-
Sec. 1985. Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights

-STATUTE-
(1) Preventing officer from performing duties
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to
prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from
accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence
under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof; or
to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave
any State, district, or place, where his duties as an officer are
required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or
property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his
office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to
injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede
him in the discharge of his official duties;
(2) Obstructing justice; intimidating party, witness, or juror
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire to
deter, by force, intimidation, or threat, any party or witness in
any court of the United States from attending such court, or from
testifying to any matter pending therein, freely, fully, and
truthfully, or to injure such party or witness in his person or
property on account of his having so attended or testified, or to
influence the verdict, presentment, or indictment of any grand or
petit juror in any such court, or to injure such juror in his
person or property on account of any verdict, presentment, or
indictment lawfully assented to by him, or of his being or having
been such juror; or if two or more persons conspire for the purpose
of impeding, hindering, obstructing, or defeating, in any manner,
the due course of justice in any State or Territory, with intent to
deny to any citizen the equal protection of the laws, or to injure
him or his property for lawfully enforcing, or attempting to
enforce, the right of any person, or class of persons, to the equal
protection of the laws;
(3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go
in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another, for the
purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or
class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal
privileges and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of
preventing or hindering the constituted authorities of any State or
Territory from giving or securing to all persons within such State
or Territory the equal protection of the laws; or if two or more
persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any
citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support
or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election
of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or
Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or
to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such
support or advocacy; in any case of conspiracy set forth in this
section, if one or more persons engaged therein do, or cause to be
done, any act in furtherance of the object of such conspiracy,
whereby another is injured in his person or property, or deprived
of having and exercising any right or privilege of a citizen of the
United States, the party so injured or deprived may have an action
for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or
deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.

RICO civil conspiracy defined:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/lit08.htm

There is definite proof that the LAGOP broke the naional rules and their own rules that they filed with the RNC secretary. That and also some state election codes.

PP
 
Matt, I think the campaign is suing. Torchbearer included in another thread (somewhere in Grassroots Central) a copy of an email he received yesterday afternoon. My recollection was that it came from HQ and they were asking those who had been (and are?) Louisiana RP delegates to contact them.

Please don't take my word for it, as I may not have it right. Do a search on Grassroots Central (or Torchbearer) to find that thread. The email copy is near the end of the thread - or it was last night at 9pm PST.
 
What is the message that you got? I have no seen the message in any of my meet-ups. I don't think the delegates in my district know about it.
 
This is what I got and responded affirmatively to:

Good Evening Folks,

As you all know, we are suing the Republican Party of Louisiana for mishandling the entire caucus process and attempting to walk off with our victory. However, we need people (our delegates) to be the plaintiff's in the case. Please speak with the delegates in your district and find several delegates and alternates that are willing to put their names down on the suit as plaintiffs.

Please send me the names of the people who are willing as soon as possible.

Thanks!

--
Andrew Axsom
Louisiana Field Director
Ron Paul 2008
www.ronpaul2008.com
318-332-2225

"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation."
-- General Douglas MacArthur
 
Could someone confirm this as I haven't seen anything via email..
 
Could someone confirm this as I haven't seen anything via email..
If you were a delegate for RP, slated in Louisiana, go to my post above and volunteer to become a plaintiff, by contacting Axom, tell him which CD you are in and whatever you saw at the polls that day.
 
You would think they would issue a press release about this. Nothing on their site so far.

They can't issue a press release because it could jeopardize their case.
The LAGOP could accuse the campaign of trying the case in the media and have it thrown out.
We can tell the world....
The plaintiffs and their attorneys can't say anything...

I've had to deal with these kinds of things before...

It is happening, the campaign is behind it... I am now a plaintiff, but feel free to make your own releases...
 
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Looks like the campaign may be on it and we won't need the other attorney:
from previos post:

I just got this through my meet-up emails:

Subj: Plaintiffs



Good Evening Folks,

As you all know, we are suing the Republican Party of Louisiana for mishandling the entire caucus process and attempting to walk off with our victory. However, we need people (our delegates) to be the plaintiff's in the case. Please speak with the delegates in your district and find several delegates and alternates that are willing to put their names down on the suit as plaintiffs.


Please send me the names of the people who are willing as soon as possible.

Thanks!

--
Andrew Axsom
Louisiana Field Director
Ron Paul 2008
www.ronpaul2008.com
 
I posted it to our meet-up. We never received anything,but I heard other meet-ups that got it.
 
They can't issue a press release because it could jeopardize their case.
The LAGOP could accuse the campaign of trying the case in the media and have it thrown out.
We can tell the world....
The plaintiffs and their attorneys can't say anything...

I've had to deal with these kinds of things before...

It is happening, the campaign is behind it... I am now a plaintiff, but feel free to make your own releases...

I am doubtful about this claim, there is no reason they would not have issued a press release announcing the action without going into details (not saying that it wouldn’t happen, but I doubt you would be hearing about it via Ron Paul Forums or Local Meetups, this would come as a Press Release from HQ and be much more thoughtful).

It doesn’t seem likely after the NH recount decision and in the middle of the race; a lawsuit at this juncture would sink the campaign. Typically these type of lawsuits occur months (or years as evidence by Nader’s recent lawsuits) after the election process has finished.

If anything this type of speculation is going to hurt the campaign (that is why RP moved to stomp out the recount stuff). Just make sure you know who you are e-mailing and giving your information too...
 
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