Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Blasts Open Borders: ‘Not Anti-Immigrant’ to Oppose Illegal Immigration

[Anti Federalist]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Blasts Open Borders: ‘Not Anti-Immigrant’ to Oppose Illegal Immigration

As well he should, with an army of almost a million invaders massing on the border, waiting for May 11 to storm into the republic.

OK, Robert, you now have my attention.



Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Blasts Open Borders: ‘Not Anti-Immigrant’ to Oppose Illegal Immigration

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...anti-immigrant-to-oppose-illegal-immigration/

JOHN BINDER 4 May 2023

Democrat presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is blasting open borders, saying it is “not anti-immigrant” to oppose illegal immigration to the United States which comes with immense economic and social burdens that overwhelmingly fall on working and middle class Americans.

Kennedy, who announced his populist presidential campaign last month, is defending Americans against the political left’s assumption that opposition to an open border equates to endorsing “anti-immigrant bigotry.”

Keeping criminal illegal aliens, such as four-time deported illegal alien Francisco Oropesa Perez-Torres, who is accused of murdering a family of five in Texas, out of American communities ought to be a priority, Kennedy wrote in the Twitter post.

President Joe Biden has ignored Oropesa’s status as a multi-deported illegal alien. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has likewise refused to comment on the suspect.

“Francisco Oropeza Perez-Torres has been arrested for the murder of 5 people including a 9-year-old boy,” Kennedy wrote. “Torres is a Mexican already deported 4 times. It is not anti-immigrant bigotry to demand an immigration system that keeps out criminals. In fact, letting them in stokes bigotry.”

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1653835940580696064

In addition, Kennedy wrote that Americans can be both “pro-immigration and pro-closing the border” with a focus on eliminating chaos in U.S. border towns that is currently taking hold as President Joe Biden’s administration ends Title 42, the public health authority, on May 11.

“Right now we have chaos at the border,” Kennedy wrote. “Human trafficking, criminality, intolerable stress on border states like Texas. It is a humanitarian nightmare.”

Kennedy noted that, as president, his “long-term solution to the border crisis” would be ending decades-long U.S. policies that meddle in Mexico and Central America, which he says has “create[d] desperate conditions south of the border.”

“The War on Drugs is one,” Kennedy wrote. “U.S.-funded dictators, juntas, paramilitaries, and death squads. Neoliberal extraction of resources. Unpayable debts. It is inhumane and hypocritical to deny immigration while creating the conditions that drive immigration. As President, I will change these policies.”

(That could have come right out of Ron's mouth. - AF)

Since Biden took office, close to five million border crossers and illegal aliens have been welcomed to the U.S., according to estimates from Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI). This is a foreign population that exceeds the populations of 28 states.

Illegal immigration to the U.S. puts enormous pressure on working and middle class communities that are the most likely to be forced to absorb new arrivals. The pressure comes in the form of depleted wages as the labor market expands with cheaper foreign workers, higher housing costs as demand skyrockets, and strained overall public resources.

In New York City, for example, Mayor Eric Adams has said that the arrival of tens of thousands of border crossers and illegal aliens has “destroyed” the city, as social systems and public resources are stretched to the brink of collapse.

As of March, New Yorkers have been forced to subsidize nearly $820 million in economic and social costs as a result of the surge of illegal immigration to the city. Through mid-2024, New Yorkers are expected to foot a more than $4 billion bill.

For working and middle class Americans looking for high-wage jobs with competitive benefits, illegal immigration reduces their bargaining power.

Labor market data shows that, while Biden rapidly expands the U.S. workforce by funneling millions of border crossers, illegal aliens, foreign visa workers, and legal immigrants into jobs, millions of Americans are dropping out of the workforce.

Leaving Americans unprotected from foreign labor market competition is supported by most multinational corporations, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the nation’s wealthiest donors, and corporate special interest groups, as the policy drives up their economic power — tilting the economy in favor of employers over employees.

 

[Swordsmyth]

He has put his finger in the wind.

He'll probably just vastly expand legal immigration, asylum, etc.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Maybe Kennedy can give us some insight on how we got to this point. Tell us about chain migration, Mr. Kennedy…

https://www.facebook.com/TuckerCarl...bill-changed-america-forever/987899241906288/




https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8cknjb

 

[jmdrake]

He has put his finger in the wind.

He'll probably just vastly expand legal immigration, asylum, etc.

Trump did the same thing. He was totally ready to compromise with Nancy Pelosi on the border until she spiked the football so hard that Sean Hannity almost turned his back on Trump and Ann Coulter totally did. Now you've got Biden making half hearted attempts to extend the border wall. And Biden deported the 20,000 Haitian refugees while bringing in 100,000 Ukrainians. Obama deported more people his first four years than Trump. Here's the real question though. Who's going to stop creating the conditions that are causing the mass migrations in the first place? Yeah, Trump was better the Obama and Biden on foreign policy, but that's a very low standard. Look at the latest mass shooting in Texas of the Mexican multi-deported illegal immigrant killing 5 Hondurans. Some people just see illegal immigrants killing each other. I see victims of the 2007 U.S. backed coup in Honduras being murdered by someone who is likely a soldier in the U.S. fueled Mexican drug mafia. Stop overthrowing and destabilizing Latin America, end the war on drugs and you solve the immigration crisis. It's that simple.

 

[jmdrake]

Maybe Kennedy can give us some insight on how we got to this point. Tell us about chain migration, Mr. Kennedy…

https://www.facebook.com/TuckerCarl...bill-changed-america-forever/987899241906288/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo1m-FylZp4

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8cknjb

We got to this point by destabilizing Latin America through CIA backed coups and CIA backed drug smuggling. [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] it's time to get to the root of the problem and quit picking the leaves. We've got mass immigration for Ukraine because we backed a coup in 2014 and picked a fight with Russia. We've got mass immigration from Honduras because of the 2007 CIA backed coup. We almost had mass migration from Haiti off the 2021 assassination, but Biden showed just how racist he really is. We've got mass migration from Mexico because the CIA fueled "war on drugs" has made cartels more powerful then the Mexican government. In the southeast we have a weed imported from Japan called kudzu. You can keep cutting it back but it grows 6 inches a day. You've got to get down to the root to really get rid of it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

We got to this point by destabilizing Latin America through CIA backed coups and CIA backed drug smuggling. [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] it's time to get to the root of the problem and quit picking the leaves. We've got mass immigration for Ukraine because we backed a coup in 2014 and picked a fight with Russia. We've got mass immigration from Honduras because of the 2007 CIA backed coup. We almost had mass migration from Haiti off the 2021 assassination, but Biden showed just how racist he really is. We've got mass migration from Mexico because the CIA fueled "war on drugs" has made cartels more powerful then the Mexican government. In the southeast we have a weed imported from Japan called kudzu. You can keep cutting it back but it grows 6 inches a day. You've got to get down to the root to really get rid of it.

I agree.

So does Ron Paul.

So does Robert Kennedy.

Kennedy noted that, as president, his “long-term solution to the border crisis” would be ending decades-long U.S. policies that meddle in Mexico and Central America, which he says has “create[d] desperate conditions south of the border.”

“The War on Drugs is one,” Kennedy wrote. “U.S.-funded dictators, juntas, paramilitaries, and death squads. Neoliberal extraction of resources. Unpayable debts. It is inhumane and hypocritical to deny immigration while creating the conditions that drive immigration. As President, I will change these policies.”

As you noted in a post on a different subject, we also need to walk and chew gum at the same.

That is the long term solution.

In the short term the border must be secured and shut.

 

[PAF]

I agree.

So does Ron Paul.

So does Robert Kennedy.



As you noted in a post on a different subject, we also need to walk and chew gum at the same.

That is the long term solution.

In the short term the border must be secured and shut.

Americans have the shortest memory of any people on earth. They are the stoopidest too.

If it were me, I'd dissolve the CIA, end the revolving Prison-Industrial-Complex doors, end the welfare immediately, and open everything up so that people have the right to travel freely without being raped, questioned and Theft-by-Badge at airports, interstates and borders. I hold my natural 4th Amendment as equally as I do my 2nd and 1st. To forfeit 1, you forfeit them all.

If not [the root] now, then be prepared for more, as the corporatists gain more money and power over human beings.

 

[jmdrake]

I agree.

So does Ron Paul.

So does Robert Kennedy.



As you noted in a post on a different subject, we also need to walk and chew gum at the same.

That is the long term solution.

In the short term the border must be secured and shut.

Yes. The "walking and chewing gum at the same time" was referring to cutting off money to the system that's oppressing us while informing people that maybe little Johnny wanting to play with dolls might not mean shoving him on experimental drugs in preparation for cutting off his pee-pee before he even turns 18. But in this case "walking and chewing gum" involves giving more money to the very same system. It's like trying to walk, chew gum, and stay in bed at the same time. One of the main reasons given now to close they border is the drug crisis. But the drug war is fueling the drug crisis. And I've yet to see anyone make a serious push for deporting the 100,000 Ukrainians. Yeah, you're against them having been brought here. But there's no serious push for them to be deported like the Haitians were deported. (And I read the thread of your own experience with Ukrainian refugees which was pretty positive). I'm not for deporting them either. Ukraine is hell right now. But so is Haiti and Honduras. In the latest mass killing in Mexico, the Hondurans were the victims. The Mexican illegal who killed them was probably linked to a drug cartel.

I'm glad RFJ Jr. understands the need to end the drug war and I'm not surprised by that. I remember Ron Paul raising a red flag over the border wall possibly being used to keep Americans in and I don't think that concern is unfounded. Years ago I jokingly (halfway) suggested we send troops to secure Mexico's southern border as most of this current wave of migrants aren't coming from Mexico but through Mexico, and that proposal, while actually constitutional, was met with pretty universal disdain here at RPF. Funny but Trump's "remain in Mexico" policy for Central American migrants in some ways mirrored my idea. (Obvious solutions are obvious).

Americans have the shortest memory of any people on earth. They are the stoopidest too.

If it were me, I'd dissolve the CIA, end the revolving Prison-Industrial-Complex doors, end the welfare immediately, and open everything up so that people have the right to travel freely without being raped, questioned and Theft-by-Badge at airports, interstates and borders. I hold my natural 4th Amendment as equally as I do my 2nd and 1st. To forfeit 1, you forfeit them all.

If not [the root] now, then be prepared for more, as the corporatists gain more money and power over human beings.

Good plan! You left out "End the drug war" but I know you agree with that as well. I heard a local DA explain that part of what's making the fentanyl crisis so bad is that weed dealers will lace their products with fentanyl do make their weed more addictive. He told a church crowd to tell their loved ones who smoke weed to go across state lines to states where it's legal, buy from dispensaries, and bring it back because at this point it's more important to save lives than to stop people from smoking. So basically a local DA was telling people to commit a federal crime (taking federal illegal drugs across state lines) because the drug laws are causing more harm than good! It's a question of priorities. I get that 700,000 people on the boarder is concerning. But regardless of what happens with this wave, if we don't address all the root causes now, there will be another wave.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Americans have the shortest memory of any people on earth. They are the stoopidest too.

Oi, what the fuck was that? You're the one who has been trying to sell me on RFK Jr. So here he is taking a stance that I agree with, and now we're all brain addled idjits with no short term memory?

If it were me, I'd dissolve the CIA, end the revolving Prison-Industrial-Complex doors, end the welfare immediately, and open everything up so that people have the right to travel freely without being raped, questioned and Theft-by-Badge at airports, interstates and borders. I hold my natural 4th Amendment as equally as I do my 2nd and 1st. To forfeit 1, you forfeit them all.

Uh huh...and on the border those policies are already in place. Soros appointed DAs all across the country are working on emptying the prisons.

If not [the root] now, then be prepared for more, as the corporatists gain more money and power over human beings.

Control of the border and limited, sane immigration levels are precisely what the corporatists do NOT want.

And they have effectively destroyed every modern populist politician or pundit who even tries to get the situation under control, from Reagan and Perot to Carlson and Kennedy.

 

[jmdrake]

Oi, what the $#@! was that? You're the one who has been trying to sell me on RFK Jr. So here he is taking a stance that I agree with, and now we're all brain addled idjits with no short term memory?



Uh huh...and on the border those policies are already in place. Soros appointed DAs all across the country are working on emptying the prisons.



Control of the border and limited, sane immigration levels are precisely what the corporatists do NOT want.

And they have effectively destroyed every modern populist politician or pundit who even tries to get the situation under control, from Reagan and Perot to Carlson and Kennedy.

I support the "Remain in Mexico" plan that I proposed here before Trump announced it. And while Ukraine isn't safe, there's got to be some place in Europe where they can hang out. Remain in Poland or Germany or the U.K.? Put them on Boris Johnson's farm since he talked Zelenski out of doing a peace deal.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/26/sup...nts-on-trump-era-remain-in-mexico-policy.html

 

[PAF]

Oi, what the $#@! was that? You're the one who has been trying to sell me on RFK Jr. So here he is taking a stance that I agree with, and now we're all brain addled idjits with no short term memory?

lol this is the “bar room” conversation that I was referring to. Except, wtf are the wings?!?!

Control of the border and limited, sane immigration levels are precisely what the corporatists do NOT want.

I beg to differ. They want their jobs. They want their holding cells. They want their technology to track where I go. They want the requirement to “papers please” and the databases to store it. And they have no problemo taking a grand or two knowing that’s it’s on me to try to get it back.

“Sensible gun control” ring a bell?

And they have effectively destroyed every modern populist politician or pundit who even tries to get the situation under control, from Reagan and Perot to Carlson and Kennedy.

Until the ROOT cause is addressed while defending/protecting my personal liberties outlined in the BoR’s, it’s not even a consideration for me anymore. If Trump gets a pass, so does RFK Jr. There are other things that need addressed such as lobbyist/corporatists responsible for corrupt legislation. Signed, Mr. Agorist ;-)

 

[nobody's_hero]

Bussing seems to be working but they still can't quite connect the dots. [language warning: Greg gets heated in this one]

 

[Brian4Liberty]

We got to this point by destabilizing Latin America through CIA backed coups and CIA backed drug smuggling. [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] it's time to get to the root of the problem and quit picking the leaves. We've got mass immigration for Ukraine because we backed a coup in 2014 and picked a fight with Russia. We've got mass immigration from Honduras because of the 2007 CIA backed coup. We almost had mass migration from Haiti off the 2021 assassination, but Biden showed just how racist he really is. We've got mass migration from Mexico because the CIA fueled "war on drugs" has made cartels more powerful then the Mexican government. In the southeast we have a weed imported from Japan called kudzu. You can keep cutting it back but it grows 6 inches a day. You've got to get down to the root to really get rid of it.

That is certainly a huge contributor, but it's not the only factor. Most immigration to the US is economic immigration. But various "charities" have made it their goal to increase immigration, especially via the huge caravans, and trained them all to say that they are refugees. That fits in with leftist propaganda.

Today's acute problem is that it has been become a huge cartel money maker. The cartels have monetized the tactics of Catholic Charities and others.

Back to my post about the 1965 immigration act, it opened up immigration to the whole world, yet was prejudicial against some immigration (mainly from Europe). To use a scientific analogy, passive transport, diffusion and osmosis, made mass immigration from Asia (particularly China and India) inevitable. Both nations have populations over a billion people. The movement of people to the US which has a lower population was inevitable, once barriers were removed. Chain migration was introduced, so that it was no longer an immigration system based upon skills and competency, but based on bringing as many people as possible in on the backs of working, self-sustaining immigrants.

Rampant poverty in those Asian nations was also a factor. Once again, economic immigration, as well as escape from totalitarian and caste systems.

Likewise, large populations and poverty were a driving factor for immigration from south of the border. Here, you can definitely say that US meddling and coups made the poverty situation worse. Even before US government meddling south of the border, US business interests were engaging in "regime change". Sam the Banana Man comes to mind...

Anyway, it would be very interesting to get RFK Jr's take on this history, as his uncle and father were right in the middle of it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Anyway, it would be very interesting to get RFK Jr's take on this history, as his uncle and father were right in the middle of it.

The 1965 Immigration Act Was Uncle Ted's premier, magnum opus, piece of work.

 

[jmdrake]

That is certainly a huge contributor, but it's not the only factor. Most immigration to the US is economic immigration. But various "charities" have made it their goal to increase immigration, especially via the huge caravans, and trained them all to say that they are refugees. That fits in with leftist propaganda.

Today's acute problem is that it has been become a huge cartel money maker. The cartels have monetized the tactics of Catholic Charities and others.

Back to my post about the 1965 immigration act, it opened up immigration to the whole world, yet was prejudicial against some immigration (mainly from Europe). To use a scientific analogy, passive transport, diffusion and osmosis, made mass immigration from Asia (particularly China and India) inevitable. Both nations have populations over a billion people. The movement of people to the US which has a lower population was inevitable, once barriers were removed. Chain migration was introduced, so that it was no longer an immigration system based upon skills and competency, but based on bringing as many people as possible in the backs of working, self-sustaining immigrants.

Rampant poverty in those Asian nations was also a factor. Once again, economic immigration, as well as escape from totalitarian and caste systems.

Likewise, large populations and poverty were a driving factor for immigration from south of the border. Here, you can definitely say that US meddling and coups made the poverty situation worse. Even before US government meddling south of the border, US business interests were engaging in "regime change". Sam the Banana Man comes to mind...

Anyway, it would be very interesting to get RFK Jr's take on this history, as his uncle and father were right in the middle of it.

Thinks have changed a LOT since 1965. Immigrants from India, China and other parts of Asia are likely to have more money than the average American. Weekly my dad gets calls from people who sound like they are from Pakistan who want to buy his rental houses. (He's NOT selling.) Most "low rent" hotels (across the Southeast anyway) are owned by Indians. When I was in computer science graduate school back in the 1990 is freaking Birmingham Alabama, most of my classmates were from China, Pakistan or India. (A few from Japan). Same for the physics and chemistry departments. That's why the whole H1B visa thing is such a big deal. It's not about "rampant poverty" anymore. It's "based on skills and competency" as you say. And what happens when you don't let these science and engineering masters and PhD recipients stay in the U.S.? Why...they go home and take their skills with them. Taiwan has overtaken the U.S. as the main supplier of computer chips because a U.S. educated Taiwanese national went back to Taiwan and built his company there. That's part of the reason we can't really afford to let China take Taiwan even though it would be sheer hell to try to stop China.



Granted he worked for Texas Instruments for 25 years before going back to Taiwan. But the bottom line is our educating our competition for them to go back to their home country is MUCH more of a problem than letting competitors come and live here.

Now, what to do about this? Well......we need to invest in American students. It doesn't have to be the government to do this. Check this story out:

https://alabrava.net/harris-rosen-tangelo-park/

In 1993, a self-made millionaire “adopted” the city of Tangelo Park, which boasted the highest crime rate in Central Florida at the time. With the hope of improving the community, Rosen infused millions of dollars in social programs, forever changing the fortunes of residents.

According to the sheriff, Jerry L Demings, Tangelo Park is now a “changed neighborhood. Violent crime is way down, in part because of the program, and his officers no longer make frequent stops there.”

Once undeveloped land meant for orange trees, Tangelo Park was an isolated residential area. Originally built as housing for workers at the nearby Martin Marietta, African Americans make up 90% of the community, with rampant drug dealing, and eye-opening crime statistics. Harris Rosen rebuilt the residential zone, planned gated communities, and started a daycare program from scratch, expanding out to a high school and opportunities for Tangelo residents to obtain multiple university degrees as part of the Rosen Scholarship Program. Rosen scholars could have potentially ended up on the street without the macro-level interactions of this man.

How did Rosen transform Tangelo Park?
The Tangelo Park Program started in 1993 and gives every neighborhood child aged 2 to 4 access to free preschool. Parents have access to parenting classes, vocational courses, and technical training. For a program that took just one hour and four people to develop, the impact has been wide and deep.

Tangelo Park Elementary is now a grade-A school.
Every high school senior graduates.
Every high school graduate who is accepted to a Florida public university, community or state college, or vocational school receives a full Harris Rosen Foundation scholarship, which covers tuition, living and educational expenses through graduation.
Nearly 200 students have earned Rosen scholarships, and of those, 75% have graduated from college—the highest rate among any ethnic group in the nation.
“I was part of the first generation of pre-K children in the Tangelo Park Program. Now I’m about to be the first generation of my family to go to college.”

Antionette Butlera, senior at Dr. Phillips High School. Butler plans to use her Rosen scholarship to attend UCF and study neurology
“When people have the resources to go and succeed, there’s a ripple effect. It becomes generational. No one in my family ever went to college before, but now, my baby sister can’t even picture a life without college. My mother even went back and got her degree. I showed her that she could do it.”

Donna Wilcox, Full Ride – Rosen Scholar – x2 – BA in interpersonal/organizational communication at UCF & M.A. in Mass Communications at the University of Georgia.
“I fell in love with the neighborhood; I knew I wanted to do some type of scholarship program for them.”

Harris Rosen
After spending $9 million on his adopted neighborhood of 2,500 residents, Rosen was asked if the program has a stopping point.

“I will be involved in the program until Tangelo Park is a gated community and the average home is selling for $1 million. Then I’m gone.”

Harris Rosen

​

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], you once asked me what to do about crime in the black community? ^There is your answer. If all of the money we spend on prisons and militarizing our police force were instead focused on fixing the problems, the problems would go away. I'm not talking about the crap that liberals do in big cities like Chicago and New York. I'm talking about actually incentivizing teachers to teach and students to learn. We've got enough under utilized and under developed people in our own country not to need to import skills from other countries. And yeah, this doesn't have to be done by the government. Harris Rosen is a private individual. But it needs to be done by somebody. And yeah, Jay-Z and Beyonce could fund several Tangelo Park type transformations if they wanted to and so could Oprah and Michael Jordan and Lebron James and........

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Thinks have changed a LOT since 1965. Immigrants from India, China and other parts of Asia are likely to have more money than the average American.
...

Yep. Absolutely true. I wasn't going to write a novel and go into that in my previous post, but since you brought it up, wealthy people from China and India come here for the freedom (at least what we still have of it). Not sure where immigration policy stands at this point, but there were proposals for people to essentially buy US citizenship.

But this has a downside. When wealthy people from other parts start buying up real estate, the prices go up, so much so that locals get priced out. This is not a trivial problem in the US. Whether it is gentrification of a poor urban area, or Californians moving to your state to drive up prices (and implement leftist policies), this cascade starts with wealthy people from Asia driving up prices on the west coast.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yep. Absolutely true. I wasn't going to write a novel and go into that in my previous post, but since you brought it up, wealthy people from China and India come here for the freedom (at least what we still have of it). Not sure where immigration policy stands at this point, but there were proposals for people to essentially buy US citizenship.

But this has a downside. When wealthy people from other parts start buying up real estate, the prices go up, so much so that locals get priced out. This is not a trivial problem in the US. Whether it is gentrification of a poor urban area, or Californians moving to your state to drive up prices (and implement leftist policies), this cascade starts with wealthy people from Asia driving up prices on the west coast.

They come for the freedom and proceed to work to destroy it.

 

[jmdrake]

Bussing seems to be working but they still can't quite connect the dots. [language warning: Greg gets heated in this one]

Good video. I wonder how much it would cost to this guy to have a competitive campaign for alderman in Chicago?

 

[acptulsa]

They come for the freedom and proceed to work to destroy it.

Oversimplifications R Us.

 

[vita3]

India & China have roughly 1.4 Billion people

US doesn't have even have 400 million

They are motivated to succeed here & are doing so, all across America