Russellk30
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Many in this forum go as far as saying that if one does not support the rEPUBLICAN pARTY, they are not really part of this movement, and adding that any other route other than through the rEPUBLICAN nomination is doomed to failure and at worst, hurts the freedom movement indefinitely through loss of relevance.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_...rg_ron_paul_run_third_party_campaigns_in_2008
There are a few reasons why such absolutism is flirting on the edge of dishonesty.
-Ron Paul had the support of 11% of the country for an independent run in January, and that is with Bloomberg in the race as well, effectively taking some of Ron Paul's independent support away. Who knows how much that number would increase without Bloomberg?
-Ron Paul does poorly among Republicans and pretty darn good among independents. 5% and 25% respectively. Just look at exit polls for every state to see the stark difference between the groups. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/
-Mccain already has 714 delegates and anybody that thinks he will not get 1,191 is on the verge of dreamland. We can wait another four years, but do we really want to if we have the option of continuing?
-If 11% of voters would support a Paul independent run right now, how much would support him once actually learning of his positions? Maybe, at most, 1/4 of all Americans have some understanding of Paul’s positions. The rest know very little.
-How many people would never vote for him because he is a Republican? Quite a few, and if the freedom movement is forever associated with the Republican Party, those same people would be much less likely too accept such an ideology.
-If 15% in the polls is required to be in debates and mentioned in the Media, we are golden! This movement is continuing to grow, and with the option of either Hillary or Obama and Mccain, millions of voters will look somewhere else.
-In my opinion, the quickest route to irrelevance is to lose the Republican nomination and then focus on a Ron Paul run for congress. This movement has evolved from a loose group of local supporters to a nationwide phenomenon, and that should be our focus.
I would be happy to see Ron Paul receive the Republican nomination. I would be happy to vote for him as a Republican, but even after doing so, I would not consider myself a Republican. I am happy that many Republicans want to save their party and have joined this movement, but don’t think for a second that every person here is, or should be, a Republican.
There are many of us previously not associated in any way with the Republican Party, but we accepted the possibility and wisdom in a Republican run. It would be nice to see the same courtesy from the more aggressive Republican supporters. Agreement is not necessary, only respect. After all, politics would not exist without disagreement.
Do you support an Independent or third party campaing if all else fails? If so, contact the campaign and let them know! http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form/ Here is my letter.
Hello Ron Paul Campaign,
I have been an active member of the movement since May07. I have donated hundreds of dollars, made signs, canvassed, promoted moneybombs, and have gotten many others to support the campaign. I hope that Dr. Paul gets the Republican nomination, but if he does not, I fully support an Independent or Libertarian campaign. I hope this path is followed if all else fails.
I know there is a concern over ballot access, but current supporters or the Libertarian Party would easily be able to get him on the ballot in all fifty states.
A recent poll conducted by Rasmussen shows Ron Paul with 11% support for an independent or third party run against Hillary, McCain and Bloomberg. There are many people yet to be informed of the positions of liberty and small government. Less than 25% of the population knows anything about Paul. This level of support could be and will be much higher.
Thanks for everything,
Jeffery R M/FC2 USN
I fully support continuing to try for the Republican nomination, but things are looking bleak so it is time to plan for the future.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_...rg_ron_paul_run_third_party_campaigns_in_2008
There are a few reasons why such absolutism is flirting on the edge of dishonesty.
-Ron Paul had the support of 11% of the country for an independent run in January, and that is with Bloomberg in the race as well, effectively taking some of Ron Paul's independent support away. Who knows how much that number would increase without Bloomberg?
-Ron Paul does poorly among Republicans and pretty darn good among independents. 5% and 25% respectively. Just look at exit polls for every state to see the stark difference between the groups. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/
-Mccain already has 714 delegates and anybody that thinks he will not get 1,191 is on the verge of dreamland. We can wait another four years, but do we really want to if we have the option of continuing?
-If 11% of voters would support a Paul independent run right now, how much would support him once actually learning of his positions? Maybe, at most, 1/4 of all Americans have some understanding of Paul’s positions. The rest know very little.
-How many people would never vote for him because he is a Republican? Quite a few, and if the freedom movement is forever associated with the Republican Party, those same people would be much less likely too accept such an ideology.
-If 15% in the polls is required to be in debates and mentioned in the Media, we are golden! This movement is continuing to grow, and with the option of either Hillary or Obama and Mccain, millions of voters will look somewhere else.
-In my opinion, the quickest route to irrelevance is to lose the Republican nomination and then focus on a Ron Paul run for congress. This movement has evolved from a loose group of local supporters to a nationwide phenomenon, and that should be our focus.
I would be happy to see Ron Paul receive the Republican nomination. I would be happy to vote for him as a Republican, but even after doing so, I would not consider myself a Republican. I am happy that many Republicans want to save their party and have joined this movement, but don’t think for a second that every person here is, or should be, a Republican.
There are many of us previously not associated in any way with the Republican Party, but we accepted the possibility and wisdom in a Republican run. It would be nice to see the same courtesy from the more aggressive Republican supporters. Agreement is not necessary, only respect. After all, politics would not exist without disagreement.
Do you support an Independent or third party campaing if all else fails? If so, contact the campaign and let them know! http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form/ Here is my letter.
Hello Ron Paul Campaign,
I have been an active member of the movement since May07. I have donated hundreds of dollars, made signs, canvassed, promoted moneybombs, and have gotten many others to support the campaign. I hope that Dr. Paul gets the Republican nomination, but if he does not, I fully support an Independent or Libertarian campaign. I hope this path is followed if all else fails.
I know there is a concern over ballot access, but current supporters or the Libertarian Party would easily be able to get him on the ballot in all fifty states.
A recent poll conducted by Rasmussen shows Ron Paul with 11% support for an independent or third party run against Hillary, McCain and Bloomberg. There are many people yet to be informed of the positions of liberty and small government. Less than 25% of the population knows anything about Paul. This level of support could be and will be much higher.
Thanks for everything,
Jeffery R M/FC2 USN
I fully support continuing to try for the Republican nomination, but things are looking bleak so it is time to plan for the future.
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