Rand Paul’s Challenge: Libertarians Are Still a Small Minority

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Rand Paul’s Challenge: Libertarians Are Still a Small Minority

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/upshot/why-rand-paul-cant-win-as-a-libertarian.html?_r=0

Article from April.

It has become fashionable in recent years to refer to a growing libertarian wing of the Republican Party, and Rand Paul, the Kentucky senator who announced his candidacy for the presidency on Tuesday, hopes to become the first serious candidate to make it part of a winning primary coalition.

Perhaps in a decade or two, a representative of the libertarian wing of the party will have an easy time winning the nomination. It’s just unlikely to happen in 2016.

The libertarians remain too young and too few to present Senator Paul with a realistic path to the nomination. He has to win over a much larger share of more reliable Republican primary voters, who will have considerable reservations about Mr. Paul’s policies. The other problem he faces: Many of the voters most receptive to libertarian views tend not to vote.

In one sense, you could argue that the libertarian wing of the Republican Party barely exists at all. According to a large Pew Research survey in 2014 of 10,000 respondents, 11 percent of Americans and 12 percent of self-identified Republicans considered themselves libertarian. They met a basic threshold for knowing what the term meant. But there wasn’t much “libertarian” about these voters; over all, their views were startlingly similar to those of the public as a whole.

The likeliest explanation is that “libertarianism” has become a catchall phrase for iconoclasts of all political stripes. “Libertarian” seems to have become an adjective for the liberal millennials who are more skeptical of regulations and assistance for the poor than their Democratic contemporaries. The same holds for the deeply conservative college students who may want to, for example, signal socially acceptable views about homosexuality. These “libertarians” have little resemblance to the true believers who might scare everyone else out of the room with their views on a flat tax, the Civil Rights Act and a return to the gold standard.

If we take a different tack and use issue positions, rather than self-identification, to identify libertarian voters, we still find only a small number of Republicans who consistently agree with Mr. Paul’s libertarian views. Only 8 percent of self-identified Republican-leaners in the Pew data take the libertarian position on four issues that he emphasizes: disapproval of the National Security Agency’s surveillance program; support for a more restrained American role in the world; skepticism of the efficacy of military intervention; and a relaxation on drug sentencing.

These voters tend to hold relatively liberal-libertarian views on other issues. Seventy-seven percent favor same-sex marriage; 54 percent think abortion should be legal in all or most cases; and 62 percent do not believe that the police should be able to search people if they look suspicious.

But when liberal cultural politics conflicts with libertarian principles, the liberal views of these voters often prevail: 65 percent think the country should do “whatever it takes” to protect the environment; just 57 percent think the courts should interpret the Constitution strictly, as it was originally written; and 31 percent think it’s more important to control gun ownership than to protect gun rights. These voters nonetheless identify as Republicans because of their views on assistance to the poor and individual responsibility.

Over all, these voters look more like socially moderate Republicans than traditional libertarians. Perhaps the best evidence for this interpretation is that the more Republicans agree with the libertarian view on issues like marijuana or military intervention, the more liberal they get on guns, the environment, the Constitution and gay rights — even when those views conflict with traditional libertarian philosophy. Their seemingly libertarian views might just be a product of the times — they came of age during an era of liberal cultural norms and an unpopular war overseas — not a philosophical commitment to extremely limited government.

The problem for Mr. Paul is that these voters remain a distinct minority in the Republican Party. Two-thirds of Republican leaners disagree with the libertarian view on at least two of the four key issues mentioned above.

If these issues were trivial, perhaps it wouldn’t matter. But national security seems sure to become a big issue in the election, and it will overwhelmingly work to Mr. Paul’s disadvantage. (An ad has already been made to criticize his stance on Iran.) That wasn’t obvious a few years ago, when the main critiques of President Obama’s defense policy concerned his decision not to seek congressional authorization for intervention in Libya, the N.S.A. program and his drone policies, where Mr. Paul was on fairly firm ground politically.

But now that the Republican critiques of Mr. Obama have returned to issues involving the Islamic State and Iran, Mr. Paul’s reputation for restraint or even isolationism could prove problematic. In a CBS News poll conducted in late March, 61 percent of Republicans said they could not vote for a Republican candidate who did not agree with their views on how to deal with the Islamic State — more than any other issue.

And Mr. Paul’s other views — such as those on sentencing or drug policy — will probably cost him additional votes as well, perhaps among older, Southern and evangelical voters.

To remain broadly acceptable, Mr. Paul will need to run an utterly mainstream campaign. But it is unclear whether such a strategy will excite and turn out the modest libertarian base cultivated by his father.

Just 30 percent of libertarian-leaning voters say they “always” vote in congressional primaries. As a result, the share of voters who disagree with the libertarian view on at least two of the four issues rises from two-thirds to three-fourths among the voters who say they always vote in the primaries.

The easiest explanation is age: A staggering 38 percent of the consistently libertarian voters are ages 18 to 34. This isn’t any surprise, as Ron Paul’s strongest support came from young voters in 2012, and early polls suggest this will be Rand’s base of support as well. A recent CNN poll found Mr. Paul at 17 percent of the under-50 vote, but at just 7 percent among those over 50. Similarly, a Washington Post poll gave Mr. Paul 15 percent of the under-50 vote and just 4 percent of those over 50.

This is not the base you want to have in a primary, especially if you’re a Republican. Primary elections attract older voters, not the young. In the 2008 Georgia Republican primary, for instance, 18- to 34-year-old voters represented 13 percent of the electorate, while 55 percent of voters were over age 50.


The likelihood that Mr. Paul is counting on fairly irregular voters raises serious questions about whether a more mainstream campaign can generate high turnout on primary election days. The elder Mr. Paul aroused not just young voters’ support but also their passion by pushing for marijuana legalization, opposing the war on drugs and the war on terror, and even tapping into various conspiracy theories of the right.

It’s already clear that Rand Paul will not resort to these same messages and policies. He has argued for relaxed drug sentencing, not marijuana legalization or an end to the war on drugs. He wants to audit the Federal Reserve, but doesn’t seem to support a return to the gold standard. He will be treated like a fairly mainstream candidate by the news media — depriving him of one of the reasons his father gained momentum on the Internet: the view that he was being intentionally suppressed by the establishment and mainstream media.

Is it possible that Mr. Paul could strike a balance between igniting a young libertarian base and appealing to the broader Republican electorate? It shouldn’t be ruled out entirely. The first two primary states, Iowa and New Hampshire — a caucus and an open contest where his father’s presidential campaign fared well — are potentially good opportunities for his campaign. It’s hard to rule out any campaign that seems to have a plausible shot to win both states.

But mobilizing the coalition necessary to win either state, and remaining a broadly acceptable candidate that the rest of the party wouldn’t unify against, will require a delicate act that has never been pulled off.
 
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11 or 12% is actually a huge number of people. I have refrained from posting, because I, even as I don't really identify as a libertarian, have not been as inspired by Rand as I thought I would be. I needed more from him earlier on, instead I got weird mixed messages. Talking to other libertarians and hardcore Ron supporters, I am not the only one who feels like that.

I'd say his problem is less the "number of libertarians" and more his success or lack thereof, in selling a tempered down Ron Paul message to be more mainstream.

I still think he's the best candidate by far, but I don't get chills listening to him speak.
 
Over all, these voters look more like socially moderate Republicans than traditional libertarians.
I agree with a lot of what is said in that article. I'm pulling this quote out because it, before I understood this -- that calling themselves "libertarian" is nothing more than a fashion statement to some people, it was a source of frustration for me here. It still is at times because I know this misuse of the word, whether intentional or accidental, makes it difficult for the ranks to truly grow....people get confused about what it really means to be a libertarian when Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, and Glenn Beck are all claiming the label.
 
Libertarian numbers may be small, but there are some very influential people that are self-identified libertarians.

Bill O'really
Mark Levin
Glenn Beck
Sean Hannity
 
This a great article. Everyone wants to blame someone/something for the bad polling and the truth of the matter is that is not the media's fault. Its not Rands political teams fault, it's not Rands fault. Its the simple fact that we libertarian leaning republicans only make up about 5 or 6% of the party. That is the hard truth.... we're not the majority. Right now we're barely a blip on the radar.
 
This a great article. Everyone wants to blame someone/something for the bad polling and the truth of the matter is that is not the media's fault. Its not Rands political teams fault, it's not Rands fault. Its the simple fact that we libertarian leaning republicans only make up about 5 or 6% of the party. That is the hard truth.... we're not the majority. Right now we're barely a blip on the radar.

And that 5% is concentrated entirely in North Carolina? Because last time I looked, Rand won a bitterly fought primary battle against the Senate Majority Leader's handpicked candidate and then went on to crush the heavily funded Democrat in the general election in the NC Senate race. Winning as a Liberty candidate is not easy, but as Rand himself demonstrated in 2010, it is more than possible. Rand has struggled because he got away from the winning blueprint he used in 2010. Since libertarians are only 5% of the party, as a liberty candidate you need to work hard to tailor your message to disenfranchised Conservatives. Rand has not only done a horrible job drawing them in, he's actually been driving them away which is why he's currently at risk of finishing even worse than his father did.

That article is nothing but Left Wing propaganda trying to instill defeatism in Liberty supporters. We CAN win. Trump's success this cycle demonstrates just how easy it is. All we need to do is run good campaigns.
 
Current events coupled with Tea Party sellouts like Rubio mean that Rand Paul should own the Libertarian vote. It's the anti-war and anti-foreign aid vote that he can't seem to lock down that Ron Paul did. People forget how close Ron Paul came to winning the first three states last time. A huge surge by Santorum and a huge tactical mistake with Sorenson that distracted the campaign changed everything. Despite coming in third in Iowa, Ron Paul was very strong second in New Hampshire and was polling great in SC. He almost swept Iowa and New Hampshire, and maybe SC as well.

Rand Paul really does not have much time to tie foreign aid to problems overseas. Trump and Carson recent bouts with insanity has created an openign for him, and he needs to jump with both feet in.
 
Current events coupled with Tea Party sellouts like Rubio mean that Rand Paul should own the Libertarian vote. It's the anti-war and anti-foreign aid vote that he can't seem to lock down that Ron Paul did. People forget how close Ron Paul came to winning the first three states last time. A huge surge by Santorum and a huge tactical mistake with Sorenson that distracted the campaign changed everything. Despite coming in third in Iowa, Ron Paul was very strong second in New Hampshire and was polling great in SC. He almost swept Iowa and New Hampshire, and maybe SC as well.

Paul was election frauded and media hijacked out of winning Iowa, but yes, people can be short-sighted and forget the near miss we had with victory. As I mentioned elsewhere, liberty does not need a numerical majority to succeed. Liberty needs only to be popular with a dedicated minority that is large enough to change the status quo, or to make doing things as usual impossible.

In short, a 5-10% liberty faction can perform the same steering function as other numerical minorities to effect change. The hardline neocons are only a 5-10% faction, but they appear to dominate the media and US foreign policy. Socialists are less than 5%, but somehow got most of the Communist manifesto agenda enacted into current American policy. Blacks make up only 12% of the population, but we have a Black President. Jews are 3% of the population, but the famous Vanity Fair survey documented that they make up at least 53% of the list of the 100 most powerful figures in the US (and most of the rest of the list are lieutenants of the top 53).

So instead of attacking every other large voting group in the country, we should be trying to steer them under our general umbrella, just like the other successful minority factions do (without demanding or expecting they become liberty hardliners). Instead of attacking cultural conservatives inside the GOP, our candidates should be engaging them, and offering ways to appeal to their concerns along non-authoritarian lines.

Same for the Tea Party as far as their demands for fiscal sanity are concerned. Perhaps the way to reach foreign policy conservatives under this umbrella is to stress "realism" (in substance, our non-interventionist version of it) as the basis for policy, instead of openly debating intervening or not intervening. Whatever, this is the road to building our liberty coalition despite having a small original base.
 
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Only bad part of this article is the silly "isolationist" shit they're pushing onto Rand as they did his father. It's said without base or explanation. They need to explain how he's isolationist. Or go Google "non-interventionism". Or actually listen to what Rand has said on how to deal with the situation in the Middle East. All would be better than just throwing around isolationist like it's actually supposed to mean something.
 
The problem isn't that libertarians are a minority. The problem is that libertarians are a minority who think they can get everything they want in a candidate and still have them be viable.
 
11 or 12% is actually a huge number of people. I have refrained from posting, because I, even as I don't really identify as a libertarian, have not been as inspired by Rand as I thought I would be. I needed more from him earlier on, instead I got weird mixed messages. Talking to other libertarians and hardcore Ron supporters, I am not the only one who feels like that.

I'd say his problem is less the "number of libertarians" and more his success or lack thereof, in selling a tempered down Ron Paul message to be more mainstream.

I still think he's the best candidate by far, but I don't get chills listening to him speak.

Just to add. There are no libertarians, or more precisely very few. You will NEVER win on libertarian principles. 80% of the people who voted for Ron Paul were not libertarians. Libertarianism was incidental to Ron's success and I would argue borderline irrelevant. Specific principles are not even important. The perception of being principled and being a fighter is what attracts voters. That is what accounted for Ron's success. That is why Cruz has a following. That is why Rand won a Senate seat.

Massie pointed out a few weeks ago this very point when he realized that his voters are voting heavily for Trump, who is the opposite of libertarianism. Many voters just want crazy and they don't care about the actual policies. Running as a practical libertarian gets you 1% or less. You need other selling points.
 
Don't forget Bill Maher.
Bill O'Reilly is a populist and if he is claiming that he is a Libertarian then so was Adolph Hitler. Maher is an old fashioned Liberal with a "healthy" dose of progressive, and Hannity and Levin are more traditional Conservatives (still cling to a heavy military presence everywhere). Beck...makes stuff up as he goes along.
Personally I think many Americans are libertarian on issues that are meaningful to them.
 
11 or 12% is actually a huge number of people. I have refrained from posting, because I, even as I don't really identify as a libertarian, have not been as inspired by Rand as I thought I would be. I needed more from him earlier on, instead I got weird mixed messages. Talking to other libertarians and hardcore Ron supporters, I am not the only one who feels like that.

I'd say his problem is less the "number of libertarians" and more his success or lack thereof, in selling a tempered down Ron Paul message to be more mainstream.

I still think he's the best candidate by far, but I don't get chills listening to him speak.


I hear what you're saying. I think it's just that Rand saw his dad run unsuccessfully twice using the strategy the more hardcore supporters wanted to see him run again, and Rand felt like or thought he could expand on that base to broaden the support without giving up the hardcore support of his father. I suppose he didn't realize his fathers base is just as fickle as the bases from the republican and democratic parties. Which I too thought that Ron's hardcore supporters would just "know" that he's trying to play the game in order to WIN. It appears playing this strategy may get him less votes than his father, but how much of this is due to Trump makes it very hard to tell. I do think with Trump running and seeing how people responded to his message it would have been much more suitable for a candidate like Ron or should I say his strategy/approach. I know Ron is done, but if Trump does win the nomination I'd love to see RON, run third party because it seems many of his supporters have forgotten the positions/issues of liberty or at least which sides of these issues people should be on..
 
Libertarian numbers may be small, but there are some very influential people that are self-identified libertarians.

Bill O'really
Mark Levin
Glenn Beck
Sean Hannity
LMAO

they'll talk the talk when it's easy, but when it's necessary to show some libertarian bona fides (non-intervention, anyone?) they want no part of it.
 
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