Rand Paul wins significant victory

[itshappening]

According to twitter sources the Toomey-Manchin amendnent is all but dead.

Something will pass that Cruz is pushing but it's sadly federalizing crimes and providing appropriations (unconstitutional). However it includes nothing on expanding background checks.

The senate doesn't even want to debate the only thing that would have stopped Lanza: An armed teacher and therefore the repeal of Gun Free Zones Act.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Ted Cruz sucks.

 

[sailingaway]

Federalizing crimes legitimates their grabs next time. Graham and McCain are trying to push loss of medical privacy for anyone who goes through a down time (mental health information). None of this should pass.

 

[jbauer]

What I don't get is the morning news makes it sound like some wild wild west thing going on the internet. Where in the world can you purchase a firearm online without going through an FFL? Thus a background check. They imply that I can go to an ebay or similar and buy rpg's and tanks and have them shipped to my front door.

I've not been to a gun show but if sellers there are able to not run background checks but local retailer are required to then I see a potential problem and conflict of interest.

 

[itshappening]

This is what happens when you consider the bill... 9 amendments and maybe more if they agree to include what Cruz is pushing.

 

[sailingaway]

shd filibuster ending discussion to call the vote.

 

[The Gold Standard]

I've not been to a gun show but if sellers there are able to not run background checks but local retailer are required to then I see a potential problem and conflict of interest.

Sure there is. The answer is that no one should be required to run background checks.

 

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

Ted Cruz sucks.

I supported John Jay Myers, the Libertarian candidate, in the Texas senate race. I was concerned with Cruz and his neocon and Goldman Sachs connections. But I think he's shown that's he's relatively decent. I'd say 3 best US Senators are Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Ted Cruz in that order. Cruz is in the same mold as Jim DeMint, and quite possibly, he's even better.

 

[itshappening]

I think what Cruz is putting up is strategic and may get voted down.

GOP can then say "we tried to do something"

But I'm sure the bastards will pass something

 

[supermario21]

I think what Cruz is putting up is strategic and may get voted down.

GOP can then say "we tried to do something"

But I'm sure the bastards will pass something

This. The gun control battle is a series of perception contests over mostly all unconstitutional legislation. Sadly, society views "we tried" as better than "it's just unconstitutional, so no."

 

[RabbitMan]

I am a supporter of background checks and a mental health database that functions.

My wife was a victim of a workplace shooting where the deranged shooter obtained a weapon AFTER having been diagnosed with severe mental illness a few years before and was clearly in the throes of depression. He was in a database, but the gun shop owners didn't have access or didn't have to check it. And the gunshop loophole should be closed.

This is just one of those things we will have differing opinions on!

 

[itshappening]

There is no loophole at gun shows. Everyone there undergoes a background check unless your buying a firearm from a personal seller who isnt actually a dealer.

This is a small number and if you close this "loophole" then you criminalize private sales which is just silly.

 

[RabbitMan]

Can't there be an effective, inexpensive way to conduct background checks at a personal level? You mean to tell me that we can conduct credit card transactions on an iPhone anywhere on earth, but we can't send a name to be checked on an automated server with a mental health/crime database and have it send back an approved or disapproved?

That is nonsense. That IS a loophole you just spoke of, and it should be closed. I am all for less government, but if we have a program, I want it to be effective and not a POS masquerading as a tool.

 

[Darguth]

Can't there be an effective, inexpensive way to conduct background checks at a personal level? You mean to tell me that we can conduct credit card transactions on an iPhone anywhere on earth, but we can't send a name to be checked on an automated server with a mental health/crime database and have it send back an approved or disapproved?

That is nonsense. That IS a loophole you just spoke of, and it should be closed. I am all for less government, but if we have a program, I want it to be effective and not a POS masquerading as a tool.

What you're proposing is a national registry of health records that can be accessed by anyone and easily expanded.

Should we check the database before people by sharp objects or potentially dangerous medicines/drugs as well? Where does it end?

You seem to be "all for less government"...y'know, except when you're not.

 

[itshappening]

Well at least the worst of it has been defeated... for now.

Obama to whine at 5:30 from the rose garden. He won't mention Rand by name but will blame Republicans or a 'dysfunctional Congress'

 

[itshappening]

@KateNocera: Several Newtown family members in gallery watching vote. Few crying.
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They really have bought into the fairly tale. They should be calling to repeal Gun Free Zones Act.

Look for Obama to play them for all its worth.

 

[BSU kid]

Toomey, Graham, McCain...your days of republican control are over, Rand/Cruz/Lee have control now. Even McConnell is with rand now.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Ted Cruz sucks.

I really have to look him up. He's been good on a few things but not on everything.

This. The gun control battle is a series of perception contests over mostly all unconstitutional legislation. Sadly, society views "we tried" as better than "it's just unconstitutional, so no."

Sad, indeed.

I am a supporter of background checks and a mental health database that functions.

My wife was a victim of a workplace shooting where the deranged shooter obtained a weapon AFTER having been diagnosed with severe mental illness a few years before and was clearly in the throes of depression. He was in a database, but the gun shop owners didn't have access or didn't have to check it. And the gunshop loophole should be closed.

This is just one of those things we will have differing opinions on!

"Closing loopholes" is just code for more government.

Can't there be an effective, inexpensive way to conduct background checks at a personal level? You mean to tell me that we can conduct credit card transactions on an iPhone anywhere on earth, but we can't send a name to be checked on an automated server with a mental health/crime database and have it send back an approved or disapproved?

That is nonsense. That IS a loophole you just spoke of, and it should be closed. I am all for less government, but if we have a program, I want it to be effective and not a POS masquerading as a tool.

So you're for more government, at least on this issue.

@KateNocera: Several Newtown family members in gallery watching vote. Few crying.
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They really have bought into the fairly tale. They should be calling to repeal Gun Free Zones Act.

Look for Obama to play them for all its worth.

Yep, they really should. I'm just struggling with actually feeling bad for the "Brainwashed" who wants to take away my rights. Maybe that just makes me a horrible person...

 

[puppetmaster]

Can't there be an effective, inexpensive way to conduct background checks at a personal level? You mean to tell me that we can conduct credit card transactions on an iPhone anywhere on earth, but we can't send a name to be checked on an automated server with a mental health/crime database and have it send back an approved or disapproved?

That is nonsense. That IS a loophole you just spoke of, and it should be closed. I am all for less government, but if we have a program, I want it to be effective and not a POS masquerading as a tool.

I bet I will be a lot easier to get on the list than off that list.

 

[S.Shorland]

Pity your wife or someone in her vicinity didn't have a gun with which to defend her(self).