Rand Paul on Vouchers

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Rand came out and supported a voucher system. What does everyone think about this?
My thoughts is that we should all vehemently oppose vouchers. It would then give the government an opportunity to get involved in private schools. Once they start paying for private schools the bureaucrats would then take it that they can control them because they are providing the funding for them. When has the government just given away money (that they stole) and then didnt later come back and try to attach some strings.
 
Another one of those "it would be better than what we currently have".

Kinda like the "Fair Tax" and other such laws...
 
If you're a taxpaying family, most of the money you give to the local government is usually for education. If you don't want to use their education, why should you be forced to pay for it? Vouchers just return the money they stole.
 
I get being opposed to Public sector money going to private institutions but, how is this any different than government loans going to Private Universities. As long as we are allowing this why can't the same principle be used on the earlier education?
 
Vouchers are a way to put your tax money in the hands of a private company vs letting the government waste it. Plus there is the added benefit that you have increased choice in your child's education.

It was always my hope that private schools would flourish when vouchers started catching on but I am not seeing as much movement as I had hoped to see.
 
Vouchers are a way to put your tax money in the hands of a private company vs letting the government waste it. Plus there is the added benefit that you have increased choice in your child's education.

It was always my hope that private schools would flourish when vouchers started catching on but I am not seeing as much movement as I had hoped to see.

I hope private schools fully refuse to accept vouchers. They are a way for the govt to violate the integrity of the private system. It doesn't matter that it is paid and a 'return' to the people, it is still from the state and they WILL exert control.
 
I've always wanted a voucher system where you could only use the voucher to choose the public school of your choice. Plus I wouldn't mind some sort of tax exemption for home schooling or private schooling your kids. (If 5% of the budget goes to education, if you send your kids to private school you pay 5% less taxes).
 
Reason.tv had this great series last year. One of their episodes dealt with school vouchers and they gave an excellent real-life example detailing the DC school voucher.

Check out the video if anything... You can convert liberals in a snap with it.

http://reason.tv/video/show/777.html
 
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You aren't going to deprivatize schools in one fell swoop. Efforts like this are a means to an end.
 
problem

Ron Paul opposes Federal vouchers. If the government pays then that means they will have a mandate to control the private schools.

Also it will just be more spending.
 
If lower level schooling is a right then vouchers are a good idea.
Otherwise poor people won't be able to afford school.

I personally think it is a right.
Even if it means raising taxes to pay for it.
Though, supposedly, lottery helps.
 
And Rand takes another step away from his roots. How many steps will it take for him to cross your line? He crossed mine a while ago.

Abolish the Department of Education.
 
And Rand takes another step away from his roots. How many steps will it take for him to cross your line? He crossed mine a while ago.

Abolish the Department of Education.
He did say he "absolutely" wants to abolish the department of education in that debate. When asked about vouchers, he said he would support them (obviously as an improvement).
 
I get being opposed to Public sector money going to private institutions but, how is this any different than government loans going to Private Universities. As long as we are allowing this why can't the same principle be used on the earlier education?

Government loans going to students attending private universities has been nothing but a complete disaster. Tuition prices have skyrocketed, causing loan amounts to increase, and ultimately creating a never ending cycle of artificial price increases and debt to the banksters.

And of course many people are going to end up defaulting on their $120,000 loan after they realize their aren't many good jobs in whatever worthless field they studied in college. And then we will have another round of bailouts.
 
I think the voucher system, whether it's vouchers for education or anything else, is an important transition tool for moving away from government-run services. It is an effective way of divorcing public welfare funding from public operation of the service (and thus no competition, etc). It robs liberals of their #1 argument, which is that only a public school system can guarantee that EVERY child is given an education. Well, a voucher system can guarantee that too!

In the education sector, the idea that education might be better left to the private sector is, for a majority of Americans, inconceivable. This is primarily because they don't understand how the free market works, so when they think of private schools, they think of the expensive ones the rich kids go to. They don't understand that the existence of public schools is exactly why there aren't any private schools trying to "compete" for the lower/middle-class students. The public schools receive the money of not only all parents with children (including those who send their kids to private school) but also all parents WITHOUT children (or whose children are no longer in school). This is highly anti-competitive.

So rather than try to re-educate the public on free market principles, which as we all know is a difficult job, the voucher system is a nice way of saying "let private schools compete. If they're really worse than/more expensive than the public schools, no harm done." And the voucher system reintroduces competition without giving those who say "what about those who can't afford to pay for school" a valid counter-argument.

Once private schools are back in the marketplace and wiping the floor with the public schools, it will be MUCH easier to gain traction on the argument that we should abolish public schools and vouchers altogether.

Think about healthcare. If the government had been the exclusive provider of healthcare for the past quarter-century, how much harder would it be to gain popular support for privatizing it?

The voucher system is an opportunity. It's not about being "better than nothing." It's a major step forward on the eventual path to a free market in education, just like auditing the Fed is a major step forward on the road to abolishing it. It's a way to show people who see the communities their kids grow up in but who aren't having debates in online forums or reading op-ed pieces, that private schools aren't just for the rich. A well-run private school would wipe the floor with the average public school.
 
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I think the voucher system, whether it's vouchers for education or anything else, is an important transition tool for moving away from government-run services. It is an effective way of divorcing public welfare funding from public operation of the service (and thus no competition, etc). It robs liberals of their #1 argument, which is that only a public school system can guarantee that EVERY child is given an education. Well, a voucher system can guarantee that too!

In the education sector, the idea that education might be better left to the private sector is, for a majority of Americans, inconceivable. This is primarily because they don't understand how the free market works, so when they think of private schools, they think of the expensive ones the rich kids go to. They don't understand that the existence of public schools is exactly why there aren't any private schools trying to "compete" for the lower/middle-class students. The public schools receive the money of not only all parents with children (including those who send their kids to private school) but also all parents WITHOUT children (or whose children are no longer in school). This is highly anti-competitive.

So rather than try to re-educate the public on free market principles, which as we all know is a difficult job, the voucher system is a nice way of saying "let private schools compete. If they're really worse than/more expensive than the public schools, no harm done." And the voucher system reintroduces competition without giving those who say "what about those who can't afford to pay for school" a valid counter-argument.

Once private schools are back in the marketplace and wiping the floor with the public schools, it will be MUCH easier to gain traction on the argument that we should abolish public schools and vouchers altogether.

Think about healthcare. If the government had been the exclusive provider of healthcare for the past quarter-century, how much harder would it be to gain popular support for privatizing it?

The voucher system is an opportunity. It's not about being "better than nothing." It's a major step forward on the eventual path to a free market in education, just like auditing the Fed is a major step forward on the road to abolishing it. It's a way to show people who see the communities their kids grow up in but who aren't having debates in online forums or reading op-ed pieces, that private schools aren't just for the rich. A well-run private school would wipe the floor with the average public school.

what you miss is that once a private school takes a state/fed 'voucher' to cash it in, they are compromise their own integrity, and inviting them in to their domain to screw with it as well.
 
what you miss is that once a private school takes a state/fed 'voucher' to cash it in, they are compromise their own integrity, and inviting them in to their domain to screw with it as well.

Better a completely private school like Hillsdale College, that rejects all federal and state money whatsoever.
 
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