Rand commences futile battle with Ted Cruz

Bad politics, very bad.

bad politics is what cruz did, which is why cruz is reaping the repercussions....which is all that rands comment was about.

he got ZERO republican roll call votes today. That just almost never happens.
 
Bad politics, very bad.

I don't know. It's just true. Rand has a certain style. It's not the same as Cruz's. Rand's is more effective. And he's saying so. He's not going to be someone he isn't.

Also, Cruz is a pretty huge obstacle to Rand's nomination. They can't both run. Rand has to take on Cruz and force him to drop out.
 
I don't know. It's just true. Rand has a certain style. It's not the same as Cruz's. Rand's is more effective. And he's saying so. He's not going to be someone he isn't.

Also, Cruz is a pretty huge obstacle to Rand's nomination. They can't both run. Rand has to take on Cruz and force him to drop out.

Fair point, but from the way I see it, I don't think many that would consider voting for either Rand or Cruz will look at Rands comments and come to the conclusion that since Cruz doesn't get along well with his Senate colleagues that they can't support him. If anything, I think it makes Cruz look more anti-establishment, which isn't what Rand is going to want to do. I think there are areas for Rand to attack Cruz on (using the word attack lightly here, I understand Rand was simply responding to a question here), but I don't think the "doesn't get along well with others" angle is going to be very effective when many of the type of voters that would consider a ted cruz or Rand Paul want to see the establishment taken to the woodshed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think many are going to see being disliked by his Senate colleagues as a badge of honor and a good thing.
 
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Rand just made an observation--it's hardly an attack. But the headlines will say differently.
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think many are going to see being disliked by his Senate colleagues as a badge of honor and a good thing.

Many of what people? Perhaps FOX/CNN watchers. These people donate $25 dollars. These people do not caucus. That is not the audience of relevance right now.

In politics, of course. Which is a sickness, of course.
 
Many of what people? Perhaps FOX/CNN watchers. These people donate $25 dollars. These people do not caucus. That is not the audience of relevance right now.

In politics, of course. Which is a sickness, of course.

I actually didn't have either Fox or CNN viewers in mind. I'm talking more about talk radio and websites such as,but not limited to, Breitbart. These are sources that I see, maybe you see it differently, as potential sources of support for Rand. They love it when someone goes after the establishment. Now granted, just having these places on your side isn't the recipe for success. Talk show radio and places like Breitbart and Redstate love Trump and Cruz, but I don't think either stand a chance in the general election, but they love them because they are seen as being fearless and standing up against the establishment (that's what I think their appeal is anyways, kind of hard when I'm not a supporter of either so I'm not entirely sure what drives people to them). My point was more that, Rand at one point, at least on Breitbart, was received very positively, but that no longer seems to be the case, and Rand also seems to be hounded quite often whenever he makes comments like this by people on twitter and facebook. That doesn't mean Rand has to start getting bombastic, but why are places that used to be very supportive of Rand changing? what caused them to sour to Rand?

The "many" people I was referring to were people that I see who may actually consider Rand as their choice. I think there is an overlap in potential voters between Rand and Cruz. I perceive many of the people in this overlap as people who would consider being hated by the rest of the Senate as a good thing. These are people, in my view, that want to see the establishment attacked and brought down. When the institution is seen as poorly as is currently, I don't think being hated by it is necessarily seen as a bad thing by these people is the point I was trying to make. Maybe I'm entirely wrong in the cross-section of voters Rand is going for.

To put it more clearly, a few years ago there was a story about a member of the steering committee calling Justin Amash an Asshole, this brought about quite a bit of attention and support among this same group of people. So my only point was being disliked isn't necessarily a bad thing (and no I'm not saying Rand has to all of a sudden be hated by his peers, let me just get that out there before someone misconstrues my point :p).

Let me reverse the question, do you not think there is a decent amount of people who would see being disliked by many of the insiders as a good thing?

I dislike Cruz, but that has nothing to do with him being disliked by his colleagues.
 
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How bad is it? Is this going to cost Rand the election? Was this actually a brilliant move on Rand's part, that will turn the tides in his favor?

We will see, .... exciting times ahead!
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think many are going to see being disliked by his Senate colleagues as a badge of honor and a good thing.

While Rand is right on his comment and how he conducts himself, bingo on this point. Cruz had YEARS to call harry reid a liar during a senate debate speech and not ONCE did he ever do that. Not ONCE before he was running for president did he call mitch a liar either.

Doing what he did was a campaign strategy to try and get awarded said aforementioned badge.
 
So does Rand think his dad was wasting his time all those years in congress? Just an awful dumb comment and I am sadly not surprised. Rand talks about making friends but he's making very powerful enemies with Trump and Cruz who currently have the voters we want to court and those establishment friends all have their knives ready to plunge into his back the first chance they get.
 
So does Rand think his dad was wasting his time all those years in congress?

Mostly, probably.

Has everyone on here gotten dumb and forgotten Rand's basic premise from years ago?

Paraphrasing

"My dad tried to change the republican party from outside. I am trying to change the republican party from inside."

Guess what that means? It means that each strategy requires different ability to work with others inside the republican party.

Ron was working from outside...he didnt need any GOP relationships.

Rand is working from INSIDE...and you need GOP relationships to do that.

Its not rocket science but people are making it that.
 
Hey moron, I am upset because this is going to hurt Rand.

LOL

I'm only falsely accusing Rand of picking this fight out of the blue, and trying to make him look like a partisan hack who owes McConnell, and trying to say his effectiveness is all Establishmentarianism, and blathering about Futility, and pretending that no Republican admires someone who does what needs to be done to effect real change, and trying to help Foxshit Radio build this molehill into a mountain, because I love Rand and want him to be happy.

Yeah, yeah. Tell us another one.
 
I actually didn't have either Fox or CNN viewers in mind. I'm talking more about talk radio and websites such as,but not limited to, Breitbart. These are sources that I see, maybe you see it differently, as potential sources of support for Rand. They love it when someone goes after the establishment. Now granted, just having these places on your side isn't the recipe for success. Talk show radio and places like Breitbart and Redstate love Trump and Cruz, but I don't think either stand a chance in the general election, but they love them because they are seen as being fearless and standing up against the establishment (that's what I think their appeal is anyways, kind of hard when I'm not a supporter of either so I'm not entirely sure what drives people to them).

You're right, but the kind of folks that are picking who they 'support' right now based on who they see superficially as anti-establishment are not donors and caucusgoers and they can be convinced to jump to another candidate with the most trivial of emotional appeals. Better to angle as a palatable answer for the donor class and moneyed interests who fear chaos and understand there is no market left if debt spirals out of control. Then when the time is right, Rand can kiss a few babies and, voila.

My point was more that, Rand at one point, at least on Breitbart, was received very positively, but that no longer seems to be the case, and Rand also seems to be hounded quite often whenever he makes comments like this by people on twitter and facebook. That doesn't mean Rand has to start getting bombastic, but why are places that used to be very supportive of Rand changing? what caused them to sour to Rand?

But again these are superficialities. The temporary blathering of drunken low information voters does not define the winner of the Republican primary. People liked talking about 9-9-9 because Daily show had some good jokes. So Herman Cain is a "frontrunner lol". Then Santorum wins Iowa with a sweatervest. But of course Mr. Country Club Romney wins it all.

The "many" people I was referring to were people that I see who may actually consider Rand as their choice.

They don't decide the nominee. Voters don't decide the nominee. Voters don't decide the nominee. Voters don't decide the nominee.

This is not a democracy. It is money. Money. Money! The winning candidate only need be plausibly popular within a narrative and desirable to money.

I think there is an overlap in potential voters between Rand and Cruz. I perceive many of the people in this overlap as people who would consider being hated by the rest of the Senate as a good thing. These are people, in my view, that want to see the establishment attacked and brought down. When the institution is seen as poorly as is currently, I don't think being hated by it is necessarily seen as a bad thing by these people is the point I was trying to make. Maybe I'm entirely wrong in the cross-section of voters Rand is going for.

You are absolutely right, if popular vote and public sentiment were relevant. But it isn't! What the media says the public sentiment is - that is relevant. And media is owned by money.

To put it more clearly, a few years ago there was a story about a member of the steering committee calling Justin Amash an Asshole, this brought about quite a bit of attention and support among this same group of people. So my only point was being disliked isn't necessarily a bad thing (and no I'm not saying Rand has to all of a sudden be hated by his peers, let me just get that out there before someone misconstrues my point :p).

I understand, and you're right. But what matters to average joe is not in Rand's control. It is in the media's control, through total narrative domination. Thus he must position liberty as acceptable to money. In fact it is. But those people are insane too, and largely racist, and those who don't have money don't deserve it to these people. They are the pretty ones, the ones that just laugh and smile and afford better clothes therefore have the appearance of being superior - and when it works for them, it reinforces their belief that the masses are animals who are so dumb as to let they, whom they secretly know to be of little worth inside, walk wherever they want, take whatever they want, and say whatever they want - with only a facade to back it up.

Let me reverse the question, do you not think there is a decent amount of people who would see being disliked by many of the insiders as a good thing?

Yes I do and you are right. But these people are spineless and powerless and watch too much TV.

I'm not really that cynical.
 
His "futile" battle eh? I'm sure you're helping Rand with that thread title. :rolleyes:

I'm sure there's also a neocon shill forum that's better suited for you.

I put more hours in for Rand Paul than your lazy ass could ever imagine.

Go jerk off to some inside job videos.
 
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