Putin believes taking ALL Ukraine is necessary now.

[Snowball]

In an official Kremlin document, he no longer refers to Ukraine as a country. Russia already decertified the treaty from the early 90s
that recognized Ukraine. Now, the position of the Russian Federation is that THE ukraine is a TERRITORY.

Other top Russian leaders now saying openly that not only will they never deal with the current Ukrainian regime,
but that is is necessary for Russia to take ALL of Ukraine.

 

[vita3]

You must be happy snowball

 

[jkr]

 

[sparebulb]

I agree with VV Putin.

No half measures.

 

[jmdrake]

You must be happy snowball

Speaking for myself, what would make my happy is when, in the words of Trump "People stop dying."

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

It's just a military exercise, for the war after Ukraine!

 

[Snowball]

You must be happy snowball

I wish our country would stop.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=himars+belgorod&t=ffsb&df=d&ia=web

 

[oyarde]

This has always been the plan , no reason to believe otherwise. What I find most interesting is how people here doubted it and the cult following a former commie kgb assassin and corrupt , thieving ploitician like putin gets here on RPF's along with the fact there is constant cheerleading against a country and its people. Not only do I not want to be governed by anyone in the US house , senate or pres who just passed the recent bill I wouldnt want to be governed by most people here.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

In an official Kremlin document, he no longer refers to Ukraine as a country. Russia already decertified the treaty from the early 90s
that recognized Ukraine. Now, the position of the Russian Federation is that THE ukraine is a TERRITORY.

Other top Russian leaders now saying openly that not only will they never deal with the current Ukrainian regime,
but that is is necessary for Russia to take ALL of Ukraine.

Ukraine is certainly territory that many people want to exploit. Follow the money. How many oligarchs and global billionaires want a piece of Ukraine? George Soros? Putin? Friends of Zelensky? Friends of Klaus Schwab? Friends of Lindsey Graham? Ihor Kolomoisky (patron of Hunter Biden and associated with John Kerry)? Victor Pinchuk (friend of Hillary Clinton)? Viktor Vekselberg (another friend of Clinton)? Roman Abramovich? Boris Berezovsky? Mikhail Fridman?

 

[sparebulb]

Ukraine is certainly territory that many people want to exploit. Follow the money. How many oligarchs and global billionaires want a piece of Ukraine? George Soros? Putin? Friends of Zelensky? Friends of Klaus Schwab? Friends of Lindsey Graham? Ihor Kolomoisky (patron of Hunter Biden and associated with John Kerry)? Victor Pinchuk (friend of Hillary Clinton)? Viktor Vekselberg (another friend of Clinton)? Roman Abramovich? Boris Berezovsky? Mikhail Fridman?

Evidently, RatZelenskyy's people have been meeting with Blackrock to "negotiate" their investemt in "rebuilding" Ukraine after they "win".

Outside interests have wanted a much larger piece of Ukraine and they found the perfect way to move a large portion of the population out of their way, either through expelling them as refugees or killing them through war.

They are on record as wanting to become the new jooish homeland, and the presidente/member of the tribe, has no problem with feeding his subjects/goyum into the human grinder.

The only thing that stops this plan is Russian control of the rest of Ukraine.

What that would look like, I don't know.

But it might be better for Ukrainians.

And better for us in allowing Russian security concerns to be met and lowering the chances of war for us.

 

[Snowball]

Jeff Rense: "What's our timetable, Fr. Kramer? What do you think, what's your best guess?"
Fr. Kramer: From my calculations, as far as I have the ability to foresee, I don't see us getting through this year without the Jihad and the World War beginning, but I will say that somehow things seem to have been prolonged, delayed so many times in the past, we may have another year, even. We may have another year coming after this, but I don't, I can't make the call. By the end of this year, or by the end of next year, there will be this general conflagration. The world will be at war. Within the next two years. That's for sure, I think. That's my own prediction.
Jeff Rense: I'll stand with that. I don't see any other way to interpret what's happening. It's quite clear. The agenda is the agenda. I repeat, every single thing pronounced by the Zionist Communist West is being designed to do one thing, that's to provoke Russia into a war. And if Russia will not take the bait, they, the West, will use nukes in a false flag attack.They'll make it happen. That seems to be what's in the cards. Crazy.

https://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_060223_hr3.mp3

 

[Todd]

If you look at how well the Russian military has done so far, I suggest that the chances of that operational goal are slim to none. The Russian military doesn't have the ability to do that as it currently stands. There is even the slim chance they can meet their original goals which was to secure many of the major Oblasts up to the Dnieper River. Putin would be in protracted war of attrition for years to achieve something like this. The only way this happens more quickly is if NATO gives up on Ukraine. As it stands now the chances of escalation before Russian victory outweigh that possibility. This is not good.

 

[TheTexan]

This has always been the plan , no reason to believe otherwise. What I find most interesting is how people here doubted it and the cult following a former commie kgb assassin and corrupt , thieving ploitician like putin gets here on RPF's along with the fact there is constant cheerleading against a country and its people. Not only do I not want to be governed by anyone in the US house , senate or pres who just passed the recent bill I wouldnt want to be governed by most people here.

Putin has given Kiev literally every opportunity to end this war if they would just cede the territories that are aligned with Russia. Prior to the invasion, Russia gave Kiev literally every opportunity to prevent the invasion, if they would just stop shelling the Donbass.

There is not much evidence to support that taking all of Ukraine was "always the plan". There is however a ton of evidence to support that taking eastern Ukraine was indeed always the plan, as Putin has been saying that since the late 90's.

Kiev and the west, with their complete inability to negotiate peace, is giving Putin very little choice but to take all of Ukraine. That may or may not put a smile on Putin's face, but I don't think there is reason to believe that it was "always the plan".

 

[TheTexan]

If you look at how well the Russian military has done so far, I suggest that the chances of that operational goal are slim to none. The Russian military doesn't have the ability to do that as it currently stands. There is even the slim chance they can meet their original goals which was to secure many of the major Oblasts up to the Dnieper River. Putin would be in protracted war of attrition for years to achieve something like this. The only way this happens more quickly is if NATO gives up on Ukraine. As it stands now the chances of escalation before Russian victory outweigh that possibility. This is not good.

How do you measure "how well the Russian military has done so far"?

If you are measuring it by territory control, that hasn't been the Russian strategy for a very long time. They are fighting a war of attrition which really can only be measured by lives lost and remaining. There's not really a reliable measure of lives lost but as far as lives remaining, well Russia has a much larger population to pull from to fight.

 

[sparebulb]

If you look at how well the Russian military has done so far, I suggest that the chances of that operational goal are slim to none. The Russian military doesn't have the ability to do that as it currently stands. There is even the slim chance they can meet their original goals which was to secure many of the major Oblasts up to the Dnieper River. Putin would be in protracted war of attrition for years to achieve something like this. The only way this happens more quickly is if NATO gives up on Ukraine. As it stands now the chances of escalation before Russian victory outweigh that possibility. This is not good.

By the Pentagram's own admission, Russia is inflicting casualties at a rate of 7 to 1.

Who do you think is going to win a war of attrition at this rate?

 

[69360]

Jeff Rense: "What's our timetable, Fr. Kramer? What do you think, what's your best guess?"
Fr. Kramer: From my calculations, as far as I have the ability to foresee, I don't see us getting through this year without the Jihad and the World War beginning, but I will say that somehow things seem to have been prolonged, delayed so many times in the past, we may have another year, even. We may have another year coming after this, but I don't, I can't make the call. By the end of this year, or by the end of next year, there will be this general conflagration. The world will be at war. Within the next two years. That's for sure, I think. That's my own prediction.
Jeff Rense: I'll stand with that. I don't see any other way to interpret what's happening. It's quite clear. The agenda is the agenda. I repeat, every single thing pronounced by the Zionist Communist West is being designed to do one thing, that's to provoke Russia into a war. And if Russia will not take the bait, they, the West, will use nukes in a false flag attack.They'll make it happen. That seems to be what's in the cards. Crazy.

https://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_060223_hr3.mp3

A false flag nuclear attack is not possible. Nuclear bombs have a signature and it can be traced where it was manufactured.

 

[acptulsa]

A false flag nuclear attack is not possible. Nuclear bombs have a signature and it can be traced where it was manufactured.

It certainly is possible. What you seem to be saying is nobody can get away with it. But, you know, a false flag tends to happen on the perpetrator's own soil, allowing the perpetrator to conduct the "investigation".

That's a wrinkle you don't seem to be bothering to consider.

 

[69360]

It certainly is possible. What you seem to be saying is nobody can get away with it. But, you know, a false flag tends to happen on the perpetrator's own soil, allowing the perpetrator to conduct the "investigation".

That's a wrinkle you don't seem to be bothering to consider.

Sorry but you are wrong, the unique signature of a nuclear detonation can be detected world wide. If anyone detonates a nuke anywhere in the world, it can be verifed who built that nuke. You do not need to travel to the site of the detonation.

So again, a false flag nuclear bomb is not possible.

 

[Snowball]

A false flag nuclear attack is not possible. Nuclear bombs have a signature and it can be traced where it was manufactured.

Except for the part where that Kherson Dam explosion is draining the reservoir that sustains the safety of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.
Think Fukushima on land. With no water to cool it.

 

[69360]

Except for the part where that Kherson Dam explosion is draining the reservoir that sustains the safety of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.
Think Fukushima on land. With no water to cool it.

Isn't the plant shut down? They should have the control rods in and only need minimal cooling water for the reactor and the spent fuel ponds.